first Hybrid Satelliite Receiver with webstream on the Market!

[Turok]

Yesterday night,i watch a intresting report on dr dish tv,about a new receicer called

Videoweb 600 S,was very intresting to watch,if you need more detail epg informatio,about a current runing programm,simple press a button and it will apear on the screen!
currencly ,i dont know a price for this receiver,there are nearly unlimited hd portals,avalible with upcoming software upgrades ,you tube acess and so on,what makes me wondering a little bit that the say in the report,that a 3 mbit line,with this special software for compress the hd signal in good quality(looks like orginal )a 3 mbit line will be enough,for hd access!

iam still sceptic about this kind of receivers,more will coming soon,for those,that have nothing to do with satellites,or live in a rental house,where the owner did not allowed to isntall a dish
is it the only way,and maybe good,but for us,i think,it has nothing to do,with our hobby!
its intrsting,but in the unlimited information you got,you can maybe lost very quickly,zapping unllimited of channels!

intresting whould be a list,of currencly avalible webstream receivers not the sling box
only have the kvr 1000 but it streams only without sound,and the kaon company i think is no more,coz websize disaperard!

there are a solution from german company smart where you can stream,and virtual remote,every stb over the net,but i dont test yet,only want to post tist,to try to bring a little bit light,into the darkness of upcoming hybrid receivers!

 

[Nelbert]

There is more info here _http://www.videoweb.de/

Retail price is 299 Euro and seems to be focused to ARD and ZDF. It appears from the website to by a consumer style solution. Buy, plug-in, switch on and auto configure. After that it magically keeps upto date. Similar I guess to the UK FreeView/Sat boxes.

Given that it auto updates transponders, web links etc its unlikely to be useful for generic reception. Like the new Internet connected TVs (Viera, Sony, Samsung) the web seems to be a VideoWeb Portal.

Friend at work got a Samsung Series 6, which has YouTube, Google Maps, Lovefilm etc built-in as online services. It's all controlled via a Samsung portal and not a free for all access. Samsung are saying 3-6Mb for HD streaming, depending upon the source. That could be 720p rather than 1080 though and would still class as HD.

Web connected is a bandwagon everyone is jumping on, but until I get guarenteed bandwidth into the home and a faster end to end Internet connection for the servers I want to use, streaming is such a hit and miss affair. The best thing I have for playing iPlayer streams is the PS3 (out performs my PC dramatically for PQ), but it still frequently buffers especially in an evening.

 

[Turok]

did this receiver use a special compresion algorithm in the data stream,that 3-6 mb can be enough speed,i was always thinking that real full hd needs 10 mbit and more!

 

[Nelbert]

What is real full hd? Pixel count and FPS are certainly part of it, but I'm not aware it has a minimum bit-rate in the specification. Nothing special about it, just depends what compression ratio was used at source. It has Youtube and lovefilm clients (links?) built in.

It's no problem compressing 720p or 1080p so it will fit in a <6mbps stream. The question for me is what's the quality like? It's the same old arguments as the audio compression methods. For the masses they won't care or know any different. Many people who bought a HD ready TV thought everything they watched on it was/is in HD anyway, not upscaled.

YouTube for example used to generate (not sure if still do) very low bitrate HD when they announced the service. 1080p would be ~4 Mbps, 720p would be nearer 2 Mbps. It's a h.264 stream so any h.264 decoder can play it. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should though.

Asside from any Jobs closed product issues, there is a reason YouTube streaming can be added to anything and Apple Trailers can't. Likewise a HD download movie isn't large enough to be at a decent bitrate to even compare with the blu-ray most times.

Unfortunately TV's and the CE markets suffer from the bigger number wins mentality with most buyers. Why else would it matter if a 26" TV has 1080p? Or that it has an artificial contrast ratio of 56Billion:1, or that it can stream HD content on a piece of wet string internet connection.