Fracarro 1m or Fracarro Penta85 manchester uk

[scott20]

Hi all, im new to this "Hobby" and am interested in getting a motoriesed HD setup, i have questions abouts all the different component but ill save them for their appropriate threads, anyway im in manchester england.

There are not particular sats i want to be able to receive at the moment (not really looked through what is available) i want a setup that can receive most things so then i wont have to change things later (i hope it can work like that) any way as for the dish im wondering if a Fracarro 1m(PT100AC) would be better than a Fracarro Penta85, there is not alot in price difference so basically would i be better getting the 1m so i dont have to upgrade later on or are they about equal (i do like the look of the penta85 )

I have looked through most of the thread and have used the search but there is nothing for the PT100AC.

Many Thanks, and sorry for the long post!

 

[wod]

also look at the other 1metre dishes gibertini, triax, televes are good quality dishes

 

[satelliteman]

Yes, the Gibertini 100cm certainly performs.
Take a look at the Fracarro PT100AV and compare it with the Gibertini 100.
1st image shown: FR PT100AC
2nd image: Gibertini 100cm

 

[scott20]

Hi, Thanks for recommendations.

so i guess from the replys it would be better for me to get a 1m over the penta85?

they have the gibertini 1m on ebay for £70 so ill get one of them. Thanks again for your help

I dont know if this is the right place to ask but...

here is the list of stuff iv picked so far, would you say this would cover most things i will need
(excluding cable/mounts/TV/ETC.... obvious stuff)

azbox elite or premium
dark motor or moteck 2100A
icecryt 0.1db lnb
diablo cam & cas+

Like iv said there is no particalur sat im after i want to be able to receive most things so would
you advise the diablo cam or is something else out now that is better

 

[rolfd]

I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that these days a Diablo cam etc. would really be a waste of money. The Diablo wifi cam can do CCcam which would be useful for you, and the azbox. It depends what you are looking to receive I suppose.

 

[scott20]

thanks to all for the help so far, as u mentioned CCcam i looked into as being a noobie i had no idea, i dont like the idea of sharing ne thing over my "tracable" net connection. from what iv read there are alot of channels going over to non-compromised encryption ie nagra3 and cardshare not really working iv u dont share or have a card, im just wondering is it really worth getting into this game or will there encryption breakthroughs in the future?

thanks again for all the help + a great forum

 

[Huevos]

All 1 metre dishes (Gibertini, Facarro, etc) are bigger than 1 metre when measured from top to bottom. The Penta 85 may also be bigger than 1 metre when measured horizontally (can someone confirm/refute this?). This means planning permission is required for these dishes, so look out for any "helpful" neighbours.

 

[satelliteman]

The Penta 85 may also be bigger than 1 metre when measured horizontally (can someone confirm/refute this?).

980mm wide, 920mm tall.

 

[Lazarus]

980mm wide, 920mm tall.

Now that is interesting ................ Would it, I wonder, be a good idea for me to replace my Orbital 80cm wall-mounted Motorised with one of these and to sell on my ground mounted Motorised TD110.

I could do with rationalising a bit.

Does the "85" refer to minimum dimension, given the shape of the Penta?

 

[satelliteman]

Yes, the Fracarro Penta would definitely out perform an Orbital 80cm. Upgrade and you'll have a nice bird bath for the garden

 

[Huevos]

Does the "85" refer to minimum dimension, given the shape of the Penta?

No, it is the size of the equivalent circular aperture.

Penta 85 = 77.5 cm * 77.5 cm = 6006 cm2; minus rounded corners (4 * 9 cm * 9cm = 332 cm2) = 5674 cm2.

Area of circular aperture as presented by conventional 85cm offset or prime focus dish = 42.5 cm * 42.5 cm * 3.1416 = 5674 cm2.

The triax TD 110 has a dish face of 105 cm * 100 cm so the circular aperture is 1 metre. The area of a 1 metre circular aperture = 50 cm * 50 cm * 3.1416 = 7854 cm2. That's 38.5% more dish face than the Penta 85, which equates to a 1.4 db increase in on-axis signal and a 1.4 db decrease in off-axis noise (I think).

 

[Lazarus]

Yes - since Posting the light had dawned (with the help of good old Google etc.), but not to that level of detail

I shall cogitate. I've considered the performance gains reported by others as compared with eg TD88 and need also to factor in things like cost (One is penniless ..................:-downt) and the restrictions of my site (I Posted a load of very scenic, but not conducive to a full arc, pics in the Members Setups Thread a few weeks back).

 

[scott20]

The Gibertini 1m is £85 and the Penta85 is £70, would the improvement in the 1m over the 85 be needed in north east england or would it be negligeable?

 

[Huevos]

The Gibertini 1m is £85 and the Penta85 is £70, would the improvement in the 1m over the 85 be needed in north east england or would it be negligeable?

It all depends what you want to receive. I've got a 90 cm dish and that receives 90% of everything I want to watch. For the rest I use my big dish.