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superpascu2

superpascu2

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My Satellite Setup
ATLAS HD100 - ASTRA 19,2 + HOTBIRD 13 + 28,2 1.2m famaval
My Location
Alicante
Hi guys, we have bought an apartment in the south east past of Spain. As you can imagine, most of the buyers will be from abroad and will want to watch their own TV what could be a problem if we don´t take into account in advance.

I would like to comment two options taking into account that only one or two cables will be brought to the flats and these two cables will be shared by everyone.

Suposing we have at least 6 diferent nacionalities, Spanish, English, Duch, Belgium, Rusians, France.

- The fist option would be to install a procesor FI, Procesador FI-FI de CAHORS SAT-IF 32

In this first option we would install several dishes, and take only the national channels of each country (example, BBC1, 2, 4, ITVS, ch4, ch5), with this procesor you can take up to 32 TP, the problem is that you are limited to 4 satellite imputs and not only that, these 4 imputs I suposse must be limited also by polarity.
With this method, you get all that 32 TP from different satellites in just 1 cable so final users will take only the ones interested (box needed)

The idea is great but only 4 imputs will be a problem, ¿do you know something similar with more imputs?

- The second option I have heard is something I have seen in some hotels, satellite channels converted into DVB-T. Something like this http://www.promax.es/esp/productos/...oTV/Cabecera-para-distribucion-de-TV-en-DVB-T

The aim is to provide basic TV channels in all languages in the comunity and avoiding installing lots of individual satellite dishes in the building

Sure you know the best ways and chepest ones...

Thanks,
 
Are you thinking of having only FTA channels?
If this is the case, sooner or later everyone in the community would want to watch encrypted TV channels.
And a subscription to any package is usually for private use only otherwise you sign up for a business package which is a lot more expensive.
One solution I can think of is to create your own good quality IPTV and everyone can watch the programs using the internet (your own network).
There are IPTV services out there, but the quality is just appalling.
 
If se use option 1, you can have encripted TP, then the customers with their own boxes will decode them. For example 11747H in 9', the duch ones.

The idea is to give at least the Main nacional Channel in all languagues even if free to view or scrambled .

If we give this solution most people Will be happy and maybe dont need something else, also spanish law says that if someone is recieving at least one Channel in his language dont have the right to install individual distes unless the comunity accepts.
 
"Customers will use their own boxes" this sounds like a bad idea to me unless you tell them in advance that they'll be able to view their specific satellite, you have to bare in mind french tv broadcasts on 3 different satellites (Fransat/TNT DTT) 5.0w, (BIS) 13.0e and (Canal+/TNTSAT) 19.0e and you're limited to 4 satellite inputs. So if someone had a Canal+ decoder and you didn't have a dish pointing at 19.0e then they wouldn't be able to watch. Below is a incomplete list of satellites per nationalities, each position 30w, 5w etc requires 1 lnb which will take up 1 satellite input. There is something called a monoblock lnb which allows you to get more than 1 position which are close to each other which means you can get 13e, 19e and 23.5e all from the same lnb which takes up 1 satellite input.

30w - Spanish/Portugese channels- Subscription only apart from Televes TDT (basic spanish channels, official televes decoder needed)
27.5w - BBC Channels, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 only - Special decoder needed
5w - Free French/Italian channels - Special decoder needed
1w - Hungarian, Romanian, Czech, Slovakian, Crotian - Subscription only
9e - Dutch (Joyne)- Subscription only
13e - Some free russian channels, Belgian/Swiss/French/Italian subscription channels
19e - Free German channels, TNTSAT france
23e - dutch channels - Subscription only
26 - Free films in english on MBC, Dubai One. All major sports in English available through Bein Sports subscription
28e - All english channels including Sky, very large dish needed
40e - Russian C-Band channels, free boxing and premier league games - special decoder and lnb needed



The choice is yours, I would personally go for a monoblock lnb on 30w/27.5 on a 1m dish then have another 1m dish with 2 lnbs, a monoblock lnb for 13e, 16e, 19e, 23.5e and another lnb for 26e. That's 3 inputs in total needed.
 
mikeisyou said:
"Customers will use their own boxes" this sounds like a bad idea to me unless you tell them in advance that they'll be able to view their specific satellite, you have to bare in mind french tv broadcasts on 3 different satellites (Fransat/TNT DTT) 5.0w, (BIS) 13.0e and (Canal+/TNTSAT) 19.0e and you're limited to 4 satellite inputs. So if someone had a Canal+ decoder and you didn't have a dish pointing at 19.0e then they wouldn't be able to watch. Below is a incomplete list of satellites per nationalities, each position 30w, 5w etc requires 1 lnb which will take up 1 satellite input. There is something called a monoblock lnb which allows you to get more than 1 position which are close to each other which means you can get 13e, 19e and 23.5e all from the same lnb which takes up 1 satellite input.

30w - Spanish/Portugese channels- Subscription only apart from Televes TDT (basic spanish channels, official televes decoder needed)
27.5w - BBC Channels, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 only - Special decoder needed
5w - Free French/Italian channels - Special decoder needed
1w - Hungarian, Romanian, Czech, Slovakian, Crotian - Subscription only
9e - Dutch (Joyne)- Subscription only
13e - Some free russian channels, Belgian/Swiss/French/Italian subscription channels
19e - Free German channels, TNTSAT france
23e - dutch channels - Subscription only
26 - Free films in english on MBC, Dubai One. All major sports in English available through Bein Sports subscription
28e - All english channels including Sky, very large dish needed
40e - Russian C-Band channels, free boxing and premier league games - special decoder and lnb needed



The choice is yours, I would personally go for a monoblock lnb on 30w/27.5 on a 1m dish then have another 1m dish with 2 lnbs, a monoblock lnb for 13e, 16e, 19e, 23.5e and another lnb for 26e. That's 3 inputs in total needed.
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I take your point, but this is not a matter than everyone can receive everything from these countries, this option would imply having at least several 16 output disecks and runing individual cables for each apartment. The building will have 70 apartments, so we disclose this option.

I just want a head end in which I could conect some diferent satellites (at least 3 or 4) with all polarities, and then process the transponders required from every satellite into a L/V TP that could be sent by just one cabling to all apartments mixed also by TDT.

Or something similar that allow to use just one cable and provide the main channels from every country.

As an example:

All TP HD+ on Astra 1KR/1L/1N at 19.2°E - LyngSat (GERMANY)
11747H Joyne on Eutelsat 9B at 9.0°E - LyngSat (DUCH)
10714H, 10758V, 10847V, 10964H Astra 2E/2F/2G at 28.2°E - LyngSat (ENGLAND)
10815H, 10930H, 10922V, 11013H, 11034V Eutelsat Hot Bird 13B/13C/13E at 13.0°E - LyngSat (RUSIA, ITALI, SUISSE)
11179V, 11509H, Eutelsat 5 West A at 5.0°W - LyngSat (ITALY, FRANCE)
 
mikeisyou said:
The choice is yours, I would personally go for a monoblock lnb on 30w/27.5 on a 1m dish then have another 1m dish with 2 lnbs, a monoblock lnb for 13e, 16e, 19e, 23.5e and another lnb for 26e. That's 3 inputs in total needed.
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Monoblocks would be useless in this application unless you can find twin and quad output ones as from each monoblock only one satellite could be tuned at a time.
 
If only 4 satellites are required then 16 input multiswitches (multiple units of them depending on number of outputs required) fed from quattro/quad lnbs on the dishes. This way every apartment would have access to every channel on each of the satellites using their own receiver FTA or subscription as required and would only require one cable to each apartment 9unless you wish to fit two to enable simultaneous viewing and recording of two different channels. This would give the choice of several hundred FTA channels to each apartment.

If you wish to go the route of a headend distributing via DTT then you are in the realms of high end (and very expensive) SMA solutions
 
davemurgtroyd said:
If only 4 satellites are required then 16 input multiswitches (multiple units of them depending on number of outputs required) fed from quattro/quad lnbs on the dishes. This way every apartment would have access to every channel on each of the satellites using their own receiver FTA or subscription as required and would only require one cable to each apartment 9unless you wish to fit two to enable simultaneous viewing and recording of two different channels. This would give the choice of several hundred FTA channels to each apartment.

If you wish to go the route of a headend distributing via DTT then you are in the realms of high end (and very expensive) SMA solutions
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I understand but using a 16imput multiswich means having also a máximum of 16 outputs and what de want to avoid is cabling for everyone.

Oye aim is to use only 1 cable for everyone, all TP processed to l/v TP or even transformer to TDT.
 
superpascu2 said:
I will have a look to this, dindt know it
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I love the unicable LNB. Replaced my old Quattro with a unicable LNB that supports 6 receivers (4 unicable and 2 legacy).
I had 4 cables coming down for the Quattro and now I use only 3 cables for this LNB and the spare one went to 7E.
The Unicable II is more complicated you probably need an extra hardware like a multiswitch but having 70 tenanents the cost can be divided amongst you all.
 
superpascu2 said:
I understand but using a 16imput multiswich means having also a máximum of 16 outputs and what de want to avoid is cabling for everyone.

Oye aim is to use only 1 cable for everyone, all TP processed to l/v TP or even transformer to TDT.
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Wrong - most multiswitches can be "cascaded" by splitting (and amplifying if necessary) the outputs of the lnbs. It only requires 1 (or two if recording and viewing simultaneously required) cable from multiswitches to apartments and four cables from each lnb to multiswitch cabinet.
 
HB13DISH16 said:
Perhaps unicable II LNB's might help.
LNBs - Inverto.tv
Inverto has 24 and 32 UB (User Bands).
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To add to your options:
Jultec seems to be better quality, according to german forums, I believe (and more expensive!).
see e.g. Jultec GmbH Technische Infos
(Their catalogue is also in english, I saw.)

However, all the receivers must support the protocol; not all are that modern I suppose.

greetz,
A33
 
superpascu2 said:
I understand but using a 16imput multiswich means having also a máximum of 16 outputs and what de want to avoid is cabling for everyone.

Oye aim is to use only 1 cable for everyone, all TP processed to l/v TP or even transformer to TDT.
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I've done a 460 unit apartment complex, 4 LNB inputs (two satellites) to 460 outputs, (well it had 8 spare outputs) but all the receivers were the same brand.

Started with a 24 output distribution node (spare outputs for expansion) running out to the 20 outbuildings, there split to each apartment.(again spare outputs)

This was a long time ago, but as you can see it can be done.

But you need to look at things and do some planing, things like how far is the longest run of coax, How many satellites are you going to be looking at? And are there going to be any subscription channels involved?

As to the switches and other hard ware take a look at EMP-Centarui they have some good info and sale support for what your looking to do.
EMP-Centauri - Cascadable multiswitches

And this is not for the average Joe to try and do,(unless he has done this before) a pro should be used to do the equipment installs.
 
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