Help Required Hotbird + Astra 28.2E in one dish
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sonnetpete
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- My Satellite Setup
- Laminas 1.2M fibre dish with an IBU, on a Clarke Tech USALS motor, covering 57E - 24.5W to an Octagon SX88. Displayed on a 20" Dyon LED TV.
Seperate 80 cm dish on 28E with a Humax Freesat for SWMBO.
Free Sat V8 meter. Sony Bravia 46" LCD, Sony BluRay and Home Cinema.
- My Location
- Normandy, France
Just a couple of further observations. Did you adjust the skew of your 13E LNB for best results? I've also found that the extra weight of the bar and two LNB's tends to weigh the LNB arm down slightly. Try applying upwards pressure to the arm, while watching the meter and see if it improves results.
(Damn, beaten to it by the cigar chewing policeman).
(Damn, beaten to it by the cigar chewing policeman).
satpippa
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- My Satellite Setup
- Triax TD78, Triax Multiblock LNB, Dreambox 800SE 2
- My Location
- Berkshire
The dish back-mount has scales on both side but the pole-bracket has a notch only on one side, so depending how you mount the pole-bracket you can align the notch only to one scale on one side.
The instruction manual shows:
This the other side of my dish back-mount, before I had the pole bracket reversed so the notch was on this side, but 25° on this side was really skewed and I could not get proper signal at all.
@sonnetpete: I tried to play with LNBs rotation, the pictures of the meter I posted were the best results in terms of signal strength/quality I could get.
@Lazarus: Regarding your previous comment "further west (less east!)", looking at the sky, rotate dish further towards right, right?
Thanks to all for the help, before posting here I was about to give up and call and installer even it really bugged me that I could not do it...
Lazarus
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- 80cm Motorised.
Several small Dishes.
Much else.
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- North York Moors
Looking from LNB towards dish, move dish left 
(But not much). Right?! 
Doing it yourself is always best for the hobbyist ..... having learned so much you'll soon be tempted to try other things
(But not much). Right?! Doing it yourself is always best for the hobbyist ..... having learned so much you'll soon be tempted to try other things
sonnetpete
Grumpy Old Retired Moderator and quiz inquisitor..
- My Satellite Setup
- Laminas 1.2M fibre dish with an IBU, on a Clarke Tech USALS motor, covering 57E - 24.5W to an Octagon SX88. Displayed on a 20" Dyon LED TV.
Seperate 80 cm dish on 28E with a Humax Freesat for SWMBO.
Free Sat V8 meter. Sony Bravia 46" LCD, Sony BluRay and Home Cinema.
- My Location
- Normandy, France
One other thing......
The Triax bar has an inbuilt curve but at it's extremes I've found that the LNB needs to be pointed more toward dish focus than the bar allows. I'd slacken off the 13E bracket and see if inclining the LNB slightly towards the dish make a difference. However, you will find that a multi sat set up requires more than a little compromise to achieve results, some of which are less than ideal.
The Triax bar has an inbuilt curve but at it's extremes I've found that the LNB needs to be pointed more toward dish focus than the bar allows. I'd slacken off the 13E bracket and see if inclining the LNB slightly towards the dish make a difference. However, you will find that a multi sat set up requires more than a little compromise to achieve results, some of which are less than ideal.
Lazarus
Retired Moderator
- My Satellite Setup
- 80cm Motorised.
Several small Dishes.
Much else.
- My Location
- North York Moors
Did you shift both LNBs to compensate for the dish move?
Not sure you've moved the dish the right way .... Left a bit if looking from LNB to dish, or right a bit if looking from behind dish.
Not sure you've moved the dish the right way .... Left a bit if looking from LNB to dish, or right a bit if looking from behind dish.
satpippa
Member
- My Satellite Setup
- Triax TD78, Triax Multiblock LNB, Dreambox 800SE 2
- My Location
- Berkshire
Ok, I think I can live with this
My bum is freezing and I'm off the ladder for today
I've connected both LNBs to a DiSEqC Switch, tonight I'm going to check if my TV integrated sat receiver and my DS800 SE like this setup.
If they do, I'll tidy up and put all cables properly and then I'll upload pictures of the setup.
For the moment, many many thanks to all.
My bum is freezing and I'm off the ladder for today
I've connected both LNBs to a DiSEqC Switch, tonight I'm going to check if my TV integrated sat receiver and my DS800 SE like this setup.
If they do, I'll tidy up and put all cables properly and then I'll upload pictures of the setup.
For the moment, many many thanks to all.
Ghostleader
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- My Satellite Setup
- 80cm motorised Inverto dish with Dark Motor full metal gears, Xtrend 9500HD, Amiko Alien 2+, Amiko Alien 8900, Moded Zone 2 dish with multi LNB goodness! 50 inch full HD LCD and loads of other stuff! lol
- My Location
- Glasgow,ish!
Ok, I think I can live with this
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My bum is freezing and I'm off the ladder for today
I've connected both LNBs to a DiSEqC Switch, tonight I'm going to check if my TV integrated sat receiver and my DS800 SE like this setup.
If they do, I'll tidy up and put all cables properly and then I'll upload pictures of the setup.
For the moment, many many thanks to all.
Congrats mate, was freezing up here today as well........well as per usual really.
Good work that you found both satellites! 
Looking at your pictures, I'm not sure: do you have the kind of multifeedbracket with which you can aim the LNBs higher or lower at the dish (turning point of the rail at the arm)?
Then it looks like your LNBs might be aiming to high. But your pictures don't show clearly, it might be an optical illusion. We'd need a picture from the side of the dish.
Aiming point should be about 40% of the hight of the dish, measured from the bottom.
Feedhorns that are located too high would also account for the 'higher elevation angle' of the dish; that's why I thought about this possibility.
Aiming the LNBs lower would mean adjusting dish elevation again, but all this would improve reception (a bit).
I agree with the former posters that it would be better if you set both LNBs more equally distant from the arm, but that would mean you'd have to aim the complete dish again: whole dish more to the right, and elevation a bit higher.
If you want to wait with that till better temperatures: You have my sympathy!
Greetz,
A33
BTW: signal strength is not normally important, important is signal QUALITY for good reception and weather reserve...!
Looking at your pictures, I'm not sure: do you have the kind of multifeedbracket with which you can aim the LNBs higher or lower at the dish (turning point of the rail at the arm)?
Then it looks like your LNBs might be aiming to high. But your pictures don't show clearly, it might be an optical illusion. We'd need a picture from the side of the dish.
Aiming point should be about 40% of the hight of the dish, measured from the bottom.
Feedhorns that are located too high would also account for the 'higher elevation angle' of the dish; that's why I thought about this possibility.
Aiming the LNBs lower would mean adjusting dish elevation again, but all this would improve reception (a bit).
I agree with the former posters that it would be better if you set both LNBs more equally distant from the arm, but that would mean you'd have to aim the complete dish again: whole dish more to the right, and elevation a bit higher.
If you want to wait with that till better temperatures: You have my sympathy!
Greetz,
A33
BTW: signal strength is not normally important, important is signal QUALITY for good reception and weather reserve...!
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satpippa
Member
- My Satellite Setup
- Triax TD78, Triax Multiblock LNB, Dreambox 800SE 2
- My Location
- Berkshire
I see what you mean, I think I need to tinker more with the setup and try to get a better signal because Hotbird HD channels are "stuttering"...
Well, it's back on the ladder once the weather permits it ...
Well, it's back on the ladder once the weather permits it ...