Advice Needed I have a spare 120cm dish in Belgium - future proofing 28.2 reception

[sophie101]

Hi,

Currently, I have got a 60cm x 70cm fibreglass dish for 28.2. I will move the dish further up the roof because of some weird electromagnetic interference.

However, I have two spare dishes up there doing nothing:
1 x technisat 60cm x 55cm galvanised steel.
1 x unknown brand 120cm galvanised steel ( the dish has sat there unrusted for 15 years so the galvanised part must be thick)

Is it worth just pointing one of thesr at 28.2 instead of my (rustproof yet flexible in the wind) fibreglass dish?

I ask in case the UK Astra beams might someday have an even tighter spot beam onto the UK. Because who knows what bizarre ideas this cash strapped government might do in order to make a quick buck ( that will cost taxpayers money ).

 

[LeBelge]

Hi,

... weird electromagnetic interference.

And how did you find out about their existence?
It seems to me that someone is lying to you very badly.
Mes antennes sont dans le jardin à 30 cm du sol.

 

[sophie101]

And how did you find out about their existence?
It seems to me that someone is lying to you very badly.
Mes antennes sont dans le jardin à 30 cm du sol.

What? No. Sounds like you are wrong and I think out of line. It's a bit a of a strong accusation if you ask me.

I have not given any results on what I found, nor an explanation on this matter on this forum, and feel very much disinclined to do so after such a comment.

I do hope that subsequent replies are more gracious.

> Mes antennes sont dans le jardin à 30 cm du sol.

I haven't really got any ground to put dishes on. I do have several different roof tops, cell towers, and approximately 500 wifi access points to deal with in the neighbourhood to avoid.

 

[Terryl]

Hi,

Currently, I have got a 60cm x 70cm fibreglass dish for 28.2. I will move the dish further up the roof because of some weird electromagnetic interference.

However, I have two spare dishes up there doing nothing:
1 x technisat 60cm x 55cm galvanised steel.
1 x unknown brand 120cm galvanised steel ( the dish has sat there unrusted for 15 years so the galvanised part must be thick)

Is it worth just pointing one of thesr at 28.2 instead of my (rustproof yet flexible in the wind) fibreglass dish?

I ask in case the UK Astra beams might someday have an even tighter spot beam onto the UK. Because who knows what bizarre ideas this cash strapped government might do in order to make a quick buck ( that will cost taxpayers money ).

You might be getting some local 5G cell phone interference,(you said you have cell towers near by) moving the dish higher may not cure this problem.

 

[sophie101]

What? No. Sounds like you are wrong and I think out of line. It's a bit a of a strong accusation if you ask me.

I have not given any results on what I found, nor an explanation on this matter on this forum, and feel very much disinclined to do so after such a comment.

I do hope that subsequent replies are more gracious.

What? No. Sounds like you are wrong and I think out of line. It's a bit a of a strong accusation if you ask me.

I have not given any results on what I found, nor an explanation on this matter on this forum, and feel very much disinclined to do so after such a comment.

I do hope that subsequent replies are more gracious.

You might be getting some local 5G cell phone interference,(you said you have cell towers near by) moving the dish higher may not cure this problem.

It's a bit odd. You might be right about the 5G, but I didn't think Brussels had 5G, yet. I imagine there are some masks around pushing it out, but not on the neighbours' houses that my dishes point towards.

Used Satfinder to show the arc of birds and when one pans across the sky with the phone, the satellites jump up and down erratically. These should stay fixed across the sky.

The 28.2e dish is lower down the building than the T55 (19 13 5w) and the T55 gets good reception. The T55 is 3 meters higher than the 28.2. So, we shall put 28.2 up on the same flat roof as the others.

Question is whether it's worth hoisting the 120cm dish up there and using it for 28.2e instead of the current 70cm fibreglass dish.

 

[ozumo]

Is this the dish that is having the LNB replaced?

 

[sophie101]

Is this the dish that is having the LNB replaced?

Yes. Swapped out the LNB for an Indeto black ultra a few days ago. I got the SD channels back, even with rain, but no HD.

Right now have got a fluctuating signal quality between 16 and 60, and strength us steady at 74-75 on 10891 Mhz. ( CITV). It is the same story for 10803 (BBC1 SD).

I get the best reception from 10906 (ITV1 SD). Here is a video: mov: IMG_4432.MOV

Let's see what happens after the dish is moved. :-)

 

[LeBelge]

It's a bit a of a strong accusation if you ask me.

The purpose of the antenna installer is to mount yours as high as possible and in the most inconvenient and inaccessible place, so that you are completely dependent on him afterwards, when something doesn't work again.
This is the truth !

 

[ozumo]

Does the television have the correct transponder parameters entered for the channels you are missing? Do you get NHK World on 11224V as that is on the Europe beam so should easy to receive in your location.

 

[sophie101]

Does the television have the correct transponder parameters entered for the channels you are missing? Do you get NHK World on 11224V as that is on the Europe beam so should easy to receive in your location.

Hi,
NHK World HD on 11225V: Unable to maintain a lock. pixelated image with audio and image cut outs.

 

[sophie101]

The purpose of the antenna installer is to mount yours as high as possible and in the most inconvenient and inaccessible place, so that you are completely dependent on him afterwards, when something doesn't work again.
This is the truth !

It is not inaccessible. I can easily get up there. Same for the current location.

Contrary to this thread, I think your posts on my other threads were helpful. Do you think you could go back to your old ways?

 

[Analoguesat]

That sounds like marginal dish misalignment to me. Or possibly the cable is full of water - I had that a few years ago - when I disconnected the faulty cable I watched in complete astonishment as half a litre of rainwater dribbled out! I was still getting some frequencies despite the extreme signal attenuation along the cable.

Using a bigger dish may actually create more problems - you can overload the receiver causing odd effects - and alignment is much more critical.

 

[sophie101]

Alighment seems good. We tested this (up down left right) and the skew. The dish used to have a good signal. Then it dropped. I had the cable out when it was added to disceq switch last week.

There really does seem to be some electronagnet interference.

I noticed that someone has put a 5' tall weird grey metal object on top of the 10 storey block of flats in close to of the line of sight of the dish. I had not noticed this before, and perhaps it wasn't there last year.

 

[ozumo]

Were you using a meter? If yes was it connected directly to the LNB or after the DiSEqC switch?

 

[sophie101]

We tested connected directly to the LNB, and also to the switch.

 

[Terryl]

Be sure to power down the receiver before changing any connection to a diseqc switch, you could blow the input to the switch. with power running to it.

And the tall metal object, is it in direct line of sight and is the dish at a low elevation to that object? I have seen what is called "Ground Bounce" on some installs, this is where the signal(s) are close to the ground (elevation of dish low to the ground) and bounce, this causes a fade out or other problems.

 

[sophie101]

Be sure to power down the receiver before changing any connection to a diseqc switch, you could blow the input to the switch. with power running to it.

And the tall metal object, is it in direct line of sight and is the dish at a low elevation to that object? I have seen what is called "Ground Bounce" on some installs, this is where the signal(s) are close to the ground (elevation of dish low to the ground) and bounce, this causes a fade out or other problems.

Forgot: We are using one of these sat meters.

Dr.HD 1000 Combo

dr-hd.com

 

[jeallen01]

FWIW and with respect to possibly using an EMP-Centauri switch, from my own experience with those switches I think they are probably designed to withstand cable shorts due to careless connection/disconnection and that's why my 16-1 seems to have survived multiple such careless "incidents"!! That's probably why these switches have a good reputation and cost more than the "cheap" ones!

 

[sophie101]

FWIW and with respect to possibly using an EMP-Centauri switch, from my own experience with those switches I think they are probably designed to withstand cable shorts due to careless connection/disconnection and that's why my 16-1 seems to have survived multiple such careless "incidents"!! That's probably why these switches have a good reputation and cost more than the "cheap" ones!

Thanks. This is a good reason enough to use these.

 

[ozumo]

Forgot: We are using one of these sat meters.

Dr.HD 1000 Combo

dr-hd.com

Are you able to view channels on the meter that the television has trouble with? Preferably using the cable that is usually connected to the TV.