Help Required Lost uk fta channels in belgium—receiver setup?

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Spanish would mean you are almost certainly on 19 E with the switch. Try scanning again with network search set to on.
 
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kropotkin

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Spanish would mean you are almost certainly on 19 E with the switch. Try scanning again with network search set to on.
I scanned both 19 and 28.2 with network scan set to on and it made no difference to the results.
 
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Try a more methodical route.
First set your tuner to simple, select the Diseqc A, B, C, D mode, and set A to 28.2E, leave the others clear, and try a manual scan, of a single transponder, like 11112 H 22000, DVB-S, which is on the Europe beam, and see what channels, if any, scan in.
If nothing appears go back into the tuner menu, set A to nothing and try B set to 28.2E, try the manual scan, then set C as the only one on 28.2E, and then D, and see if you get a signal.
Please report back with the results.
 
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OK. Done this . . .

Then try doing a manual scan, as suggested above, for 10788 V 22000 DVB-S. Receiving BBC1?
No. Same 23 channels.
You get 23 channels, when doing a manual scan on just 10788V (just ONE transponder)?
Which channels?

Edit:
@Mickha : What is your proposal different from mine? Apart from another frequency?

greetz,
A33
 
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kropotkin

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First set your tuner to simple, select the Diseqc A, B, C, D mode, and set A to 28.2E, leave the others clear, and try a manual scan, of a single transponder, like 11112 H 22000, DVB-S, which is on the Europe beam, and see what channels, if any, scan in.
No channels on that transponder. On 10788 V 22000, DVB-S, the familiar 23 channels: Alquiler 1, Beinlaliga8, Multideporte,

If nothing appears go back into the tuner menu, set A to nothing and try B set to 28.2E, try the manual scan, then set C as the only one on 28.2E, and then D, and see if you get a signal.
Please report back with the results.
It makes no difference to the results. Whichever of ABCD is set to 28.E, I get no channels on 11112 etc, and 23 on 10788 etc.
 
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If you're getting no results when setting A, B, C and D, to Astra 2 28.2E, then the Diseqc option isn't working, so the satellite set up might be different, especially as it is a communal dish.
I still think that you should ask a neighbour, or building manager, to find out what satellites are available, and the necessary settings.
Earlier, in the thread, I seem to recall you doing a satellite finder, and getting very different results, on different transponder, less than 50%, on some, and high 70's, on another.
Can you please check the channels, you've currently scanned in, and post their full details, names, by channel ident, frequency details, including transponder, polarity, S/R, Symbol Rate, and signal quality.
The channels, you've listed, appears to be some of the Movistar+ channels, on 19.2E, but I'm not sure which frequency they're on.
Code:
https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Movistar-.html
They are on 10788 V 22000 DVB-S, so your LNB settings seem correct.
 
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I still think that you should ask a neighbour, or building manager, to find out what satellites are available, and the necessary settings.
I'm starting to agree. On past form for other things, neighbours will be useless and landlord will take a long time. I thought I could solve it myself quickly with some expert help, but maybe not. Don't want to waste the time of all the nice folk on here.

Earlier, in the thread, I seem to recall you doing a satellite finder, and getting very different results, on different transponder, less than 50%, on some, and high 70's, on another.
Can you please check the channels, you've currently scanned in, and post their full details, names, by channel ident, frequency details, including transponder, polarity, S/R, Symbol Rate, and signal quality.
The channels, you've listed, appears to be some of the Movistar+ channels, on 19.2E, but I'm not sure which frequency they're on.
Code:
https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Movistar-.html
Yes, I think those I listed were Movistar ones. I get 23 of those on DVb-S 10788 V 22000 scanning 28.2 E, with 77%. I'm not sure how to find more than the name they're listed by, as above?

On 19.2E 10729 V 22000, I get 12 channels including Alquiler HD, Beinlaliga 2, axn HD -- about 68%
on 19.2E 10758 v 22000: 12 channels, including Divinity, fox news, baby tv -- about 65%
On 19.2E 10788 C 22000: the same 23 as when scanning 28.2E with those settings, also about 77%

I'm not quite sure that this is what you were asking for, so I'll wait till you confirm before doing the whole lot—a full scan of 19.2 gets me over 300 channels, which is a lot to type out!
 
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You should get a lot of channels, on 19.2E, but most aren't FTA:
Code:
https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-1KR-1L-1M-1N.html
I like the music channel, Deluxe music, and sport 1, both FTA.
The simple mode, Diseqc A, B, or A, B, C, D, should work, if they're using a Diseqc switch, but I've never used a communal dish, and distribution set up.
Your receiver seems to be scanning in the channels, and correct frequencies, on 19.2E, but you haven't listed any Horizontal channels, only Vertical polarity transponders.
 
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kropotkin

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You should get a lot of channels, on 19.2E, but most aren't FTA:
Code:
https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-1KR-1L-1M-1N.html
I like the music channel, Deluxe music, and sport 1, both FTA.
The simple mode, Diseqc A, B, or A, B, C, D, should work, if they're using a Diseqc switch, but I've never used a communal dish, and distribution set up.
Your receiver seems to be scanning in the channels, and correct frequencies, on 19.2E, but you haven't listed any Horizontal channels, only Vertical polarity transponders.
Yes, a bunch of the ones I get are FTA—just not the ones I want! And the ones I used to get before messing everything up . . .

I don't seem to be finding anything using horizontal.

Look, I really appreciate the effort that people have put in here, but I think I might have to take the slow route of trying to get the info out of the landlord (I suspect he doesn't know and has a person who sorts it out for him, who might not be easily available—but this is my problem!)
 
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The lack of Horizontal channels could be important, as large distribution systems tend to use Quattro LNB's, Vertical Low, Vertical High, Horizontal Low and Horizontal High, fed into a distribution box.
I'm not sure if this then translates into you having to use different settings, in your receivers LNB set up, as I haven't installed, or used, one.
 
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a33

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Incidentally, when I go into the satfinder and scroll through the predefined transponders, these are the ones I get SNR responses for:

19.2E: 12032 H 27500 9/10 (48%)
12344 H 30000 2/3 (48%)
28.2E: 10758 V 22000 auto (73%)
10788 V 22000 auto (79%)
11038 V 22000 auto (78%)
11538 V 22000 auto (78%)
11597 V 22000 auto (65%)
I was looking at this list again, earlier this evening.
Wondering if your receiver sends out diseqc, 22kHz, or even a voltage.

Just a hunge about this list: Could you check what channels you receive at 12344 H, when you do a single transponder scan at that frequency (FTA and encrypted)? Inside TV, or something else?

Greetz,
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kropotkin

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Just a hunge about this list: Could you check what channels you receive at 12344 H, when you do a single transponder scan at that frequency (FTA and encrypted)? Inside TV, or something else?
Will do this evening and report back. Thanks!
 
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Try to take a picture of the dish if visble, especially from the front, and a picture of the wall-plate in the room that the receiver is in.
 
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kropotkin

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Try to take a picture of the dish if visble, especially from the front, and a picture of the wall-plate in the room that the receiver is in.
Can't access the dish I'm afraid. Will try for wall plate.

Unexpected work probs this evening and lots on tomorrow, so will be a couple of days before I get round to this and the previous suggestion.
 
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Wondering if your receiver sends out diseqc, 22kHz, or even a voltage.
BTW.
Presence of voltage can of course also be measured directly with a multimeter: 13 to 18 volt it should be.
Measuring presence of 22 kHz directly would need other instruments. But some sat-finders do have an 22kHz indicator.

But we'll wait till you're back here again.

greetz,
A33
 
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kropotkin

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Could you check what channels you receive at 12344 H, when you do a single transponder scan at that frequency (FTA and encrypted)? Inside TV, or something else?
None at all.

Wondering if your receiver sends out diseqc, 22kHz, or even a voltage.
There is an option in the simple tuner setup that says "set voltage and 22kHz", which was set to "yes". But setting it to "no" doesn't seem to make a difference to what channels are found with a full scan.
 
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a33

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None at all.
So, you get "a signal", but no programs.

Same goes with 12032H, 27500 9/10, QPSK, dvb-s2?

And when you change parameters for that to 12032H, 22000, QPSK, dvb-s; does that give you channels?
(If you receive TRWAM (11185V) that way, you don't send 22kHz, and no voltage.)

BTW always leave 22kHz and Voltage ON, or you don't send 'commands' to the LNB from what quadrant you want to receive channels.

greetz,
A33
 
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So, you get "a signal", but no programs.
Sorry, I was unclear. No signal, no programs.

Same goes with 12032H, 27500 9/10, QPSK, dvb-s2?
No signal, no programs.

And when you change parameters for that to 12032H, 22000, QPSK, dvb-s; does that give you channels?
I can only select QPSK when I use dvb-s2, but whether its s or s2: no signal, no programs.

BTW always leave 22kHz and Voltage ON, or you don't send 'commands' to the LNB from what quadrant you want to receive channels.
Noted!

Thanks again for your help and persistence.
 
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a33

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19.2E: 12032 H 27500 9/10 (48%)
12344 H 30000 2/3 (48%)
So the 'signal' you reported here is gone?

What's left in your list is only Low band Vertical, so I'd really try to find a way to measure voltage on the F-plug of your receiver.
Or try another receiver, to rule out that your receiver might be defective. (Or check your receiver on another location.)

Greetz,
A33
 
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