Moller International M400

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I've been keeping an eye on this for about 4 years. Seems to be progressing well.
COOL. :cool: :cool:


Here's the latest, time to sell the car I think. ;)

http://www.moller.com/news/
Some good vids there as well.

Mind you prices will have to drop first or the secondhand price of my lovely lude needs to sky rocket. (Pun intended) :)


Delivery Position----Minimum Deposit Amount------List Price
25-100--------------------$100,000---------------$995,000
101-200--------------------$25,000---------------$750,000
201-500--------------------$10,000---------------$500,000
 

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How come most cars are the colour red. I think they would look good in a nice powder blue.
I think I'd have to go for the little flying saucer though, as my back garden is not big enough for the skycar.
 

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Good point Prof. They don't even seem to offer any choice. I would go for Chelsea FC Blue.
I've changed my mind now, don't want one! ;)
 

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No I don't either ;-)
Not unless they are going to bring out a nice family hatchback, or estate version.
 

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I think I'd have to go for the little flying saucer though, as my back garden is not big enough for the skycar.
If the shape of the underbelly is correct, it could double up as the dish.

I dont believe for a minute the fuel economy claims from the company.
 

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I think 20mpg sounds ok.

The Engine

VTOL aircraft require a great deal of power to obtain lift-off and perform a safe landing. Since the engine must lift its own weight along with the weight of the craft it must be lightweight. Economy is another area that requires much attention. Purchase price, operating costs, and maintenance costs are all factors which, if too high, can make the engine impractical. Lastly, to be truly efficient, an engine must be environmentally friendly. Ideally, clean burning engines capable of using the most readily available fuels would provide the best option.

The need for a moderately high disc loading results in a relatively high installed power in order to hover. For the installed powerplant weight not to become excessive, the engines must be light for their power output. The key element in determining the VTOL aircraft cost may then become the powerplant. If, for example, one uses 200 lb/ft< disc loading, it can be shown that:

(Installed Horsepower / Gross Vehicle Weight) ~ 0.5
In this case, a VTOL aircraft with a modest payload requires installed power in the 1000 HP range and an engine HP to weight ratio near 2. A turbine can meet this weight requirement; however, a small 100 HP turbo-shaft can cost $100,000, while a single 1000 HP turbo-shaft can cost $300,000. The smaller turbo-shaft gives a poor specific fuel consumption, while the single engine provides no back up. Any design using turbo-fan engines will expect even higher engine costs. A turbo-fan using disc loading like the Harrier generates only one half pound of lift for every horsepower. Hence, the Harrier requires approximately 40,000 HP with little payload capability in the VTOL mode.

To meet the 2 HP/lb requirement in a small fuel-efficient form, only two engine alternatives appear to be possible at an economical cost:

A turbo-charged or super-charged fuel injected 2-cycle engine. This engine would need to be developed.
A rotary engine that employs aluminum housings, peripheral porting and an air-cooled rotor. Engines of this design are in existence.

Moller rotary engines were developed from technology obtained from Outboard Marine Corporation (OMC) and are of the Wankel-Type. During each rotation of the rotor a four-stroke spark ignition combustion process occurs in each of the three pockets of a triangular rotor. After one full rotation of the rotor the engine has completed the four-stroke process three times. They therefore provide a high power-to-weight ratio at a reasonable cost and are very small for their power output. The 150 HP model used in the M400 can be easily carried by one person. Eight Rotapower engines are used in the production model volantor.

Wankel-type rotary engines in general are very reliable as a result of their simplicity. The number of moving parts in a Moller rotary engine (dual-rotor) is approximately seven percent of those in a four-cylinder piston engine. The rotapower engine is also multi-fuel capable. Moller rotary engines in the volantor are typically configured to run on unleaded gasoline however, we have recently demonstrated the engine's ability to run on diesel to the Army and on Natural Gas to another organization.
 

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OMC I believe went to the wall a few years ago. The present company in charge of engine supply however has two basic models

the 1300 design

http://www.freedom-motors.com/rp2-1300-c1.pdf

There are problems with coupling up Wankel engine designs to propellers, one reason they are not often seen in aircraft is low speed efficiency and stalling properties.

I hope it works in this development.

An animation of the working engine

http://www.keveney.com/Wankel.html
 

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Channel Hopper said:
If the shape of the underbelly is correct, it could double up as the dish.
Thanks for that CH, I'm sure when I explain that to the wife, she will let me buy one.
 

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Don't worry lads! It's got safety parachutes!! ;)
Not much help a hundred foot off the ground though


Anyone got a .mov or .mpg file of these things taking off, in the air?
 

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Not much help a hundred foot off the ground though
"The safe operation of a VTOL aircraft requires that during hover it operate as close to the ground as possible (<25 ft.) and that transition to forward flight occur as quickly as possible. With the loss of an engine at 25-ft altitude the vehicle could be landed very quickly without incident. Above 25 ft altitude one can assume that the vehicle is moving forward and generating some aerodynamic lift so that a second engine failure should not be as critical. In the case where a critical number of engines fail and transition is not complete, aerodynamic lift can extend the flight time in the critical period before the parachute is fully deployed. Thus, deployment could occur at relatively low altitudes (<25 ft.) particularly if a spreader gun is used. In any case, a new concept aircraft can be expected to undergo the unexpected. Thus, overlapping systems to ensure passenger safety would be appropriate and should be mandatory."

It sounds good, but as they say the proof of the pudding.....
Must have been a bit like this a hundred years ago.


channel Hopper said:
Anyone got a .mov or .mpg file of these things taking off, in the air?

They've got vids on the website. www.moller.com

Here... http://www.moller.com/news/media/
 

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Reassuring they have thought of the 'what ifs'

I think Ill wait for Cavorite to appear in Homebase
 

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Reassuring they have thought of the 'what ifs'

I think Ill wait for Cavorite to appear in Homebase

CH, do you mean Cavorite as in Cavorite Sphere?
 

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But thats a bit out dated isn't? Not only that, it's fiction. ;)
Nah, how else do you think we got to the moon before the others?

Besides its a damned sight quieter than the car (Ive listened to the video on the site)
 

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Nah, how else do you think we got to the moon before the others?

Besides its a damned sight quieter than the car (Ive listened to the video on the site)

Lol ;) :) :)
 

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I was watching Extreme Machines on Discovery (1W) last night, and guess what? MX200!
 

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I was watching Extreme Machines on Discovery (1W) last night, and guess what? MX200!
Was it doing anything? or was it just parked on the ground?
I suppose they'll repeat that won't they, they normally do.
 

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It was the full-res video of the trial flight that's on the website.

I even recorded that bit!

Lots of other flying-car type stuff, and human jetpacks too!

Some basic details of the other skycars as well.

Should be repeated I guess.
 
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