Mounting a wavefrontier t90

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Hi guys - thanks for having me on the forum - i have several questions on the Wavefrontier T90 and im hoping someone can help me

Im planning on upgrading my 80CM dish soon and am considering the wave frontier 90 or a 1.1M Triax - i know the triax would be mountable on my current wall bracket but im wondering would the wave frontier? My mount is a heavy duty one which can support a decent size/weight dish - i planned ahead and purchased this instead of a basic mount - i can post a picture of it - 40mm heavy duty galvanized
 

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Its going to bounce around on that if it gets windy.

The screws may also pull out of the fence
 
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Just the weight of a 1.1m TD110 (I have one) will probably pull those screws out pretty quickly without much wind hitting it (I would have used M8 bolts. penny washers & nuts - not screws!) - I've got my TD110 3m up a 50mm steel scaffolding pole concreted into the ground, and it bent that only slightly but that was enough that I had to fit a very stiff steel brace across to the side of the adjacent garage to push it back up vertical, so that Channel Hopper could then align the motor and dish arc properly!
(Frankly, that dish was too heavy for me to lift very far, and certainly to manoeuvre/set-up properly at my age :oops:)

IMHO, you'd have been better off using a substantial and solidly bolted-down or weighted-down ground mount of some sort.

However, if you can't do that then I suggest adding a substantial brace between the top of that "J" mast to the fence, or preferably something solid behind that, to try to stop it bending/moving
 
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My first impression is.... :oops: don't use that mount.

Go for the original wf type mount, 60mm. 3 bolts on top, 2 at bottom end of tube, large wood screws, reinforced beams on the wall.
Same mount can be used for ground mounting, f.ex. on a well secured and reinforced pallet.

Good luck.
 

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Could always try a Non-Penetrating Ground Mount like those here

BTW - please clarify whether you actually want a WaveFrontier OR a conventional 1.1m dish from TRIAX or another source - they are quite different "animals" and each needs the correct mounting equipment (and also a motor in the case of a dish that is to be physically scanned)?

If you are still not sure what you want, I would strongly suggest that you spend some time looking at this part of the forum (amongst others) Satellite Systems - What to Buy - What to install
 
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Thanks for the replies - In response to the current set up/bracket - i have a 80cm currently alligned for 13 and 19.2 - i know several people have

My goal is 19.2, 16e, 13, and 9/10e - i have been told 9 and 10e are possible on the same LNB but i humbly accept correction if that is incorrect

My PLAN was to replace the 80cm (80height 76width) dish with a larger one - perhaps 90, 97, 1m or the 110cm - i obviously would like any advice anyone has to offer!

My Interest in the Wavefrontier stems from the idea of being able to get 40 degree's worth of satellites on a single dish, but i stand corrected if this is not possible or advisable - in any case my main goals ar 9 10 13 16 and 19

Some members have answered the question whcih was essentially whether the T90 WF would fit on my current mount - seems that it wont which is fine

But i welcome advice/opinions on the task of getting 9/10/13/16/19 - just in case i havent been clear - i do not require 28.2 - i have a separate sky dish for that which serves its purpose - so this dish, which ever i aim for is only gonna be used for the above grouping

Thanks in advance
 
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A few thoughts:
- The larger the conventional elliptical dish is, the narrower is the "beam angle" (roughly the "angular spread" from which signals are received strongly) - thus it could be more difficult to get reception from a wide spread of sats with a larger dish than on an 80-90cm dish with multiple LNBs.
- Those 4 sats are relatively close together, and normal LNBs would thus be very close together, if not probably touching on a normal dish - thus you would probably need "slimline" (with 23mm collars) LNBs if 1 per sat.
- 2, 3 and even 4 sat "monobloc" LNBs (recent thread here on that) are available for closely spaced sats - might work, but you might need two of them, they are phyically relatively "wide" and so might not actually fit on the dish arc, and they are compromises in terms of signal strength.
- WaveFrontier might be an idea, but I understand that they are tricky to set up - although there have been several threads on that, one was a few weeks ago by someone who clearly knows what he is doing
- "Leftside thought": If you have the space, you might consider something like a Zone 2 Sky dish with 2 LNBs for 13E & 19E, and then the existing 80cm dish with 2 LNBs for 9/10E and 16E - though the latter dish could be marginal on signal strength/quality as those are the "weaker" sats (at least in S.E England, so could be worse in Ireland). A 2-dish solution might also be easier to set up because there would be less compromises as you can set up each one separately.

Regardless of which you will also need a suitable DiSEqC switch with the appropriate number of ports.
 
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Welcome to the forum. Ive got a 110cm aimed onto 16E (narrow lnb) with offsets for 9E/13E/19E/23.5E

10E is possible with 9E but the transmission power is quite a bit less than 9E so a bigger dish is required for successful reception. To be honest theres not a lot of interest on 10E unless you are into feeds or just want to get everything.
 
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- The larger the conventional elliptical dish is, the narrower is the "beam angle" (roughly the "angular spread" from which signals are received strongly) - thus it could be more difficult to get reception from a wide spread of sats with a larger dish than on an 80-90cm dish with multiple LNBs.

Following this line of thinking, you would get better reception of an offset mounted LNB on a 90cm dish, than on a 2 meter dish.
That is not the case.
The 'opening angle' of a dish, to which you are referring, is the opening angle in one direction. That opening angle is there for ALL direction, also for offset-aimed directions.
So the aiming must be done more precise, and the possible misplacement effect (by possible non-optimal distance between the feeds of the monoblock) is higher on a bigger dish.

Of course offset mounted LNBs (at an angle to the axis of symmetry) on a paraboloid dish suffer abberations, due to the position not at the angle of symmetry. But the bigger the size of the dish, the better the reception; also for offset mounted LNBs! :)

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- Those 4 sats are relatively close together, and normal LNBs would thus be very close together, if not probably touching on a normal dish - thus you would probably need "slimline" (with 23mm collars) LNBs if 1 per sat.
On a 100 cm dish for 9°E, 13°E, 16°E, 19°E & 28°Eedinmetar.JPG
 
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Hi

Your pole needs to be 60mm thick for a T90 i use to have one but got rid of it as it was too large for the garden.
 
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If 16E is not that important to you then you may be better with the smaller T55 dish. It does the same job anyway and is much cheaper. On a T55 you should be able to get 28.2E to 9E easily and will be fine in most of the UK.
 
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Mounting a T90 is tricky. I already got a run out with the wind.
I'm using both an over the gutter mount and the pole support from a standard T90 mount and that seems to have made the trick. I got a galvanised steel pole I bought online. Feel free to PM me for details.
 
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I decided against using the standard T90 mount - it's never looked strong enough to me. Went for a pair of galvanized T&K wall brackets & a 60mm aluminium pole instead. I initially bought a steel pole but it was far too heavy for my liking. Each of the brackets can support my weight if I stand on them, but I didn't want to risk the combined forces of a steel pole, the T90, and a winter storm.

Mine has been up for 2 years and hasn't moved at all. I'd recommend using your own (better) bolts/fixings etc- and be careful not to split the bricks/blocks if you're attaching to a wall.126635126636
 
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Too much (t)rust in those T/K brackets, they are missing some galvanising and a weld or three.

Where do they come from ?
 
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The wall mounts are heavy duty and work well from my experience. More expensive through.

I bought a north facing wall mount for a channel master 1.2m dish 20 years ago from them at a discount because they hadn't been weather proofed. I live locally to them so was able to visit the house(yes they operate their business from a normal looking house not a shop on the high street) and buy the kit which included two wall mounts for channel master dishes, a 2 meter long 76mm dia. pole and all the bits and pieces. Got £100 or so knocked off because they had just welded the wall mounts together and hadn't painted rust proofing paint on them yet. It was on the wall of our house for about 8 years with no problems at all during that time. Took me about 2 weeks to paint primer on them and then rust proof paint on top. Luckily it was August at the time and the weather cooperated.

Like the one in the attached picture.
 

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The wall mounts are heavy duty and work well from my experience. More expensive through.

I bought a north facing wall mount for a channel master 1.2m dish 20 years ago from them at a discount because they hadn't been weather proofed. I live locally to them so was able to visit the house(yes they operate their business from a normal looking house not a shop on the high street) and buy the kit which included two wall mounts for channel master dishes, a 2 meter long 76mm dia. pole and all the bits and pieces. Got £100 or so knocked off because they had just welded the wall mounts together and hadn't painted rust proofing paint on them yet. It was on the wall of our house for about 8 years with no problems at all during that time. Took me about 2 weeks to paint primer on them and then rust proof paint on top. Luckily it was August at the time and the weather cooperated.

Like the one in the attached picture.
I think newer versions now come flat pack and you bolt the parts together. It wasn't when I bought them 20 years ago. They are expensive starting at £114 but they do the job pretty well. They won't come down in strong winds(if they do it is probably was a problem with the walls of your house).
 
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If anyone wants a cheap (like free"!) pair of T&K brackets in about that size then PM me (I'm in W. London) - they came with the Triax TD78 & monobloc that I picked up dirt cheap from High Wycombe a few months ago (the guy probably just gave me them because he didn't have any more use for them).

They were painted but a lot of that has come off, so they are rusty but still look very strong - ATM they're are just cluttering up my garage, and I would have taken them to the recycling centre but just couldn't bear to throw them away!:rolleyes:
 
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I decided against using the standard T90 mount - it's never looked strong enough to me. Went for a pair of galvanized T&K wall brackets & a 60mm aluminium pole instead. I initially bought a steel pole but it was far too heavy for my liking. Each of the brackets can support my weight if I stand on them, but I didn't want to risk the combined forces of a steel pole, the T90, and a winter storm.

Mine has been up for 2 years and hasn't moved at all. I'd recommend using your own (better) bolts/fixings etc- and be careful not to split the bricks/blocks if you're attaching to a wall.View attachment 126635View attachment 126636
Where did you get the aluminium pole from?
 
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