My Channel Master 180 permanent installation for 28.2E

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Just a quick post to mark that it's done.

It's a CM 180 with a Inverto Black Ultra Quad. Dish is second-hand, with normal Az-El mount. Kingpost is custom made, and mounted on timber-frame-on-concrete-post-holders dug into the ground to avoid direct into-ground concreting.

Result is good 2D reception, all of 2A and 2B, as well as almost all of Eurobird 1.

More details to come when I've sorted out the photos.

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Looking good, nice to here that you have better luck with Astra 2D than i had.
 
A bit more on the installation (part 1):

I bought the dish second-hand as a "as-is" and "take-it-down-yourself" offer. A few scratches, but otherwise fine.

The amount of concrete around the mounting pole I took it down from made it look like it would take a JCB to remove from the original premises. I therefore decided to use a kingpost for my install, so that it could be easily removed again if required.

The official CM/Andrew/ASC/Skyware kingposts are far too expensive to purchase here in Denmark (needs to be mail ordered in from abroad). Instead I had one made to my specs locally at the blacksmiths of one of our correctional facilities. (Cut to measure, welded and galvanised). Very sturdy, exactly to my specs, although delivery times were slightly, erh, prolonged.

Originally intended to concrete in four threaded rods into a nice foundation block, then fasten the kingpost onto the rods. I figured that it would be better to put the base of the kingpost some 20 cm (8") below ground level, so that taking out the kingpost would leave enough room for soil to cover the concrete block underneath, rather than leaving the concrete "scar" at ground level.

After choosing the final placement of the dish, I decided against concreting stuff into the ground, and instead went hunting for suitable anchoring at the local Bauhaus. I found these concrete post holders, which weighed something like 35-40 kgs each. In a pinch, they can in principle be removed one by one without JCBs if ever needed. In order to connect the kingpost with these post holders, I used some 75mm x 75mm square (3x3) lumber secured with 12mm bolts to the post holders. The kingpost is then mounted in the lumber bars with another set of 12mm bolts.

Digging the hole was perhaps the most challenging part; in order to have the base of the kingpost at 20 cm below ground level, I had to dig down to 105 cm below ground level. The ground here is old brick-factory backfill, so it's pretty heavy going. Had to enlist specialist help (brother-in-law who is landscape gardener) to finish the hole to sufficient depth. (Hope that I will never need to do that again without a JCB).

Leveled the bottom with screeing sand, then put the post holders in. Aligned them properly with the pre-assembled set of lumber bars, then started back-filling with soil. For every 5 cm compacted soil with a piece of 2x3 lumber and water to ensure tight fit. when soil level with concrete top, I stopped and covered the top with fabric to prevent too much plant growth (the spot is directly under a tree!). Will decide later how to cap the hole - need to think a bit about this.

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Very nice. I've love one of those dishes. But I'm curious to know why you say "almost all Eurobird 1." I can get Eurobird 1 no problem on a 1.8m prime focus in Helsinki so would have thought you'd be OK, or is it down the the skew optimised for 2D?
 
The installation (part 2)

Mounted kingpost with attached lumber bars loosely in the post holders, spirit-leveled and pencil-marked, and did some (slightly optimistic) hand-held drilling. Very lucky outcome (sometimes you gotta getta break), only one hole needed "adjustment" with the drill to line up entry and exit holes for the 12mm bolts. Put dish mounting bracket onto post, and secured it with its bolts.
 

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Good stuff ............... thanks for all the pics.
 
Installation (part 3)

Next mounted the dish on the mounting bracket, and secured that. Luckily I followed the Andrew/CM/ASC/Skywear instructions about reclining the mount to 60 degrees, as the dish would remain on the mount at that angle even though it was not secured at all. Nice to realise there is sense to the instructions. Dish then lowered to just about 24.8 degrees elevation. Then it was a matter of mounting the feed-arms, and finally the Inverto Black Ultra Quad LNB.

And then a slight bit of alignment to reach good performance... (In reality about 2 hours of nitty gritty alignment. Even when the individual part of the mount is as sturdy the CM one is, just tightening the bolts still moved the dish sufficient to go out of alignment. Had to figure out how to move it to slightly off alignment to get best results when all bolts were tight!).

Result is very nice Astra 2D reception. All 2D transponder EXCEPT ITV3 which is acting up a bit. Even better than my test-bed from earlier this year. Some probs with certain Eurobird channels, but I really don't miss JML Direct or Ocean TV.

Of course, I'm sure that now I have this permanently mounted, something like astra 1-N with super-spot-beam capacity will render all this null-and-void within a year. But we'll enjoy it while we can...
 

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timo_w2s said:
Very nice. I've love one of those dishes. But I'm curious to know why you say "almost all Eurobird 1." I can get Eurobird 1 no problem on a 1.8m prime focus in Helsinki so would have thought you'd be OK, or is it down the the skew optimised for 2D?

Yes, I think that's the culprit. the skew on EB1, i've learned from Huevos:

Huevos said:
Some EB1 transponders are much lower signal than 2D. In particular ones between 12500 and 12750. The lower FEC (2/3) is what makes them possible to receive from outside the footprint but still not easy. Also, EB1 is skewed 7.5º more than 2D, so if you have got your skew perfect for 2D it's going to be a mile off for EB1.

I may fiddle some more to get everything, but I'd prioritise 2D over EB1 any day.
 
Hakon said:
Looking good, nice to here that you have better luck with Astra 2D than i had.

Thanks. Well, it is a bit easier for me as I don't need to consider the whole arc as you did with your Laminas. The positioning of the dish is very much down to having best view of 28.2 from there.
 
satelliteman said:
Nice installation :)

well, thanks - it's been underway for 4 months, so I'm quite happy to finally have got the thing up.

Just need to do a proper cable run under the lawn, then I'll consider that bit finished...
 
A friend in Odense has a 1.2m dish (it's 1.2m tall and 1m wide = 1m?) and he's getting all channels from Astra 2D and Eurobird. I hear that the 2D signal really drops off in DK the further east you go. Esbjerg can get away with 80cm dish, while in Copenhagen you need a 2m!

Here's his dish attached.
 

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Captain Jack said:
A friend in Odense has a 1.2m dish (it's 1.2m tall and 1m wide = 1m?) and he's getting all channels from Astra 2D and Eurobird. I hear that the 2D signal really drops off in DK the further east you go. Esbjerg can get away with 80cm dish, while in Copenhagen you need a 2m!

Here's his dish attached.

Yes, the signal drop-off is quite dramatic. Ignoring my first attempt with a 1.8m Jonsa Tin-dish (I didn't know better then), I've also tried a 1.2m good quality SMC dish (Visiosat SMC120). This *almost* worked on sunny good day. Took EB1 fine, 2D was very very blocky (unwatchable). It would probably have worked near Odense. But not here - as Kitschcamp found out the CM180 is the way to go.

Intersting to see your friend's dish. It looks very much like a 1.2m CM. Stofa is a Danish TV provider, who earlier on did a lot of communal TV systems. I am guessing this might be a downlink dish from such a system. Good to see re-use of quality equipment.
 
Yes, he did say it was CM dish, but I wasn't sure as it had strange dimensions. Where in DK are you based?

Apparently, he got it from a friend who works here (yes, that's me in the pic):
 

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Captain Jack said:
Yes, he did say it was CM dish, but I wasn't sure as it had strange dimensions. Where in DK are you based?

Apparently, he got it from a friend who works here (yes, that's me in the pic):
I found a Laminas 270 on that picture:)
 
Super photos and explanations! It gives this newbie plenty of info to digest:)
Best of luck with the setup:)
 
Captain Jack said:
Yes, he did say it was CM dish, but I wasn't sure as it had strange dimensions. Where in DK are you based?

Apparently, he got it from a friend who works here (yes, that's me in the pic):

Hmm. the CMs are oval, but I think your friend must've measured it wrong. The CM120 is about 120x130 cm or thereabouts. When seen from the offset angle, Skyware claims it is 120cm effective.

Nice antenna tower - that would take some serious negotiation to get into my back yard!

I'm about 25 km due north of central copenhagen. About 10 km from the eastern-most part of Denmark (if you ignore Bornholm, which is an island 200 km further east).
 
Hakon said:
I found a Laminas 270 on that picture:)

Of course you would :) - is that no. 3 from the top?

Not sure what they're all pointing to, but the top one intrigues me. The mounting bracket looks massive, and oddly out of place somehow. It also seems to be pointing very much to the east considering that most of the dishes would be pointing in the general direction of 1W->19E, this being Denmark. Of course it could be parked, but it looks like it's pointing at 80E or something???
 
From what I remember, it's a 5m C-Band dish pointing at some easterly sat (72E springs to mind) for some obscure analogue radio station for local distribution. That was 5 years ago though, so I don't know its fate now.
 
st1 said:
Of course you would :) - is that no. 3 from the top?
Yes thats the one
 
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