Philips TV 24PFS5303/12 - Satellite DiSEqC 1.0 configuration 4 x LNBs help sought

[sophie101]

Hi,

I hope this is the right place for this question.

My old Philips 24PFS5303/12 works perfectly well with 1 x satellite ( 28.2 for FTA channels). TV was bought in 2018.

The specs state the Philips 24PFS5303 can do DiSEqC. ( page 23 on https://www.p4c.philips.com/files/2/24pft5303_12/24pft5303_12_dfu_eng.pdf )


The specs state the Philips 24PFS5303 can do DiSEqC. The setup menu allows the TV to scan indicidual TPs across LNB1,2,3,or 4. ( Not that it seems to work).



What's the trick in the setup menu to get it to do 4 x LNBs?

Any ideas.

Many thanks!

 

[ozumo]

Have you got Connection Type in settings set to 4 and added the extra satellites? Some photos of your current settings might help. It's also possible the DiSEqC switch has failed and is failing to switch between LNBs.

 

[sophie101]

Have you got Connection Type in settings set to 4 and added the extra satellites? Some photos of your current settings might help. It's also possible the DiSEqC switch has failed and is failing to switch between LNBs.

Have you got Connection Type in settings set to 4 and added the extra satellites? Some photos of your current settings might help. It's also possible the DiSEqC switch has failed and is failing to switch between LNBs.

Yes, and no. I cannot find any diseqc settings. phote enclosed.

The Diseqc worked earlier with a friend's little sat tuner box that we used to find the birds when up on the roof. Photo enclosed.

 

[ozumo]

I'd have thought LNB 1/2/3/4 would have corresponded to each of the four ports on the DiSEqC switch. How were you able to scan 5°W?

It might be worth doing a factory reset and starting again.

 

[sophie101]

Actually this is what I just did before I read your reply!

I did a "Reinstall tele" instead of a Factory Reset. It detected the 4 LNBs and added these. Wicked.

 

[sophie101]

My setup was a bit off and needed a bit of work on the dish. The guy who did this managed to get my four oversized Sharp quad LNBs onto the T55, but 13e was blocked by part of the dish so was in the wrong place. I have been told that the T55 has much less space than the T90.

The signal from 5w is not optimal, but was better if put on LNB1 instead of other LNB ports.

I got TV on top floors.

The coax down to the ground floor doesn't seem to work for any LNBs. All the TPs scan. 5W had a signal before I reset the TV.
I probably need a new TV.

 

[sophie101]

Thanks for the headsup. My TV has DVB-T2 already.

 

[jeallen01]

AH, late to the thread but I think I may have something to contribute, although maybe not about the actual TV!

That "BEST" DiSEqC switch is, in my experience, one of the WORST such switches I have encountered - I bought 3-4 of the bloody things (from Amazon!) and NONE of them worked correctly, in that they would not direct commands to the correct connected LNB's.

In the end I used EMP-Centauri switches which work very well, and then sent one of the BEST switches to EMP-Centauri (at their suggestion) in Europe to see what they made of it - which was that it did not respond correctly to DiSEqC commands, and (with my total agreement!) they retained it for their "rogues gallery" of kit which simply does not work to specification!

BTW: sometimes in the distant past (probably mid-late 2015 or early 2016) I started a thread on the whole farce around those "BEST" switches and it may be useful if one of the Staff could identify and link that thread (which is now probably in the archives!) so it can be seen from within this current one.

IIRC, I then junked the remaining "BEST" switches!!

 

[sophie101]

AH, late to the thread but I think I may have something to contribute, although maybe not about the actual TV!

That "BEST" DiSEqC switch is, in my experience, one of the WORST such switches I have encountered - I bought 3-4 of the bloody things (from Amazon!) and NONE of them worked correctly, in that they would not direct commands to the correct connected LNB's.

In the end I used EMP-Centauri switches which work very well, and then sent one of the BEST switches to EMP-Centauri (at their suggestion) in Europe to see what they made of it - which was that it did not respond correctly to DiSEqC commands, and (with my total agreement!) they retained it for their "rogues gallery" of kit which simply does not work to specification!

BTW: sometimes in the distant past (probably mid-late 2015 or early 2016) I started a thread on the whole farce around those "BEST" switches and it may be useful if one of the Staff could identify and link that thread (which is now probably in the archives!) so it can be seen from within this current one.

IIRC, I then junked the remaining "BEST" switches!!

Ahah.
I got these swiches from someone I knew who swore by them...

How long ago did you throw yours away? I hope Best make better than worse switches by now.

On a very good note, I realised that setting my TV region to Belgium or the UK seemed to also be part of the problem.
I took these steps in the end:-
- unplug the tele,
- start an installation in English,
- set region set to Germany,
- Scan LNBs with "German + French channels plus Eutelsat"

This put most of 5w 13 19 28 channels on it.

I think I will have to scan individual TPs to get the missing 28e channels. Unsure why these were missing, because the 28e channels were there sans switch. But I have 4000 odd channels and could well have not see these.

 

[jeallen01]

Ahah.
I got these swiches from someone I knew who swore by them...

How long ago did you throw yours away? I hope Best make better than worse switches by now.

On a very good note, I realised that setting my TV region to Belgium or the UK seemed to also be part of the problem.
I took these steps in the end:-
- unplug the tele,
- start an installation in English,
- set region set to Germany,
- Scan LNBs with "German + French channels plus Eutelsat"

This put most of 5w 13 19 28 channels on it.

I think I will have to scan individual TPs to get the missing 28e channels. Unsure why these were missing, because the 28e channels were there sans switch. But I have 4000 odd channels and could well have not see these.

OK & Good that your switch does seem to work correctly, and that you worked out why you had the problems in the first place

OTOH, all I would say about the switches themselves is that:
a) Maybe your switch, that appears to work, and "mine", that definitely did not, were from totally different batches (or even different actual factories?) - and/or the relevant "quality control" provisions would seem to have been "applied variably"?
b) Personally I won't ever buy anything branded "BEST" again because of a) above!

 

[sophie101]

OK & Good that your switch does seem to work correctly, and that you worked out why you had the problems in the first place

OTOH, all I would say about the switches themselves is that:
a) Maybe your switch, that appears to work, and "mine", that definitely did not, were from totally different batches (or even different actual factories?) - and/or the relevant "quality control" provisions would seem to have been "applied variably"?
b) Personally I won't ever buy anything branded "BEST" again because of a) above!

once bitten twice shy. I would be the same. I will see how these switches go.

 

[jeallen01]

".....How long ago did you throw yours away? I hope Best make better than worse switches by now"

Those switches were bought in 2015 and 2016, and were disposed of by the end of 2017 or early 2018 at the latest.

 

[sophie101]

Those switches were bought in 2015 and 2016, and were disposed of by the end of 2017 or early 2018 at the latest.

Thx. I shall monitor mine to see how these fare.

 

[sophie101]

Hi everybody,

I have spent a lot of time on this. The Philips TV is incompatible with people who want to watch satellite in multiple languages, and from multiple sources. I imagine this is a problem across the whole Philips TV range.

After searching it is a problem introduces by all TV manufactures (LG, Philips, Sony etc).

**Set-up:**

*DVB-S diseqc switch*:
1: 13e 2: 19.2e: 3: 5w 4: 28.2e.
*DVB-T* : Belgian DVB-T(2) channels (In Belgium RTBF is FTA, Flemish channels are encrypted)

A *Re-install TV* is done for each of these set-ups;

**Set TV region to UK**:
DVB-S scan UK region. result: displays only channels on diseqc position 1 : 13e. Everything else is ignored.
DVB-T scan UK region: only encrypted channels appear. No FTA.

**Set TV region to BE**:
DVB-S scan BE region. result: displays only channels on diseqc position 1 : 13e. Everything else is ignored.
DVB-T scan BE region: Both FTA and encrypted channels appear.

**Set TV region to DE**:
DVB-S scan DE region. result: all satellites are found on the switch: 1: 13e 2: 19.2e: 3: 5w 4: 28.2e.
DVB-T scan DE region: only encrypted channels appear. No FTA.

**Set TV region to DE**:
DVB-S scan DE region. result: all satellites are found on the switch: 1: 13e 2: 19.2e: 3: 5w 4: 28.2e.
DVB-T scan BE region: Both FTA and encrypted channels appear,
**but**, because the country is changed it removes all DVB-S channels except diseqc position 2: 19.2e!

To get all diseqc positions read the TV region must be set to DE.
To get all Belgian DVB-T FTA channels (RTBF) the TV region must be set to BE.
Changing a TV region for DVB-T will change it for DVB-S.

And here is the rub: if I remove the diseqc, and only use one satellite e.g 28.2e, and set the region to BE, then get the Belgian DVB-T FTA channels, and all the channels available on 28.2e. Similar case for each individual beam.

I did some googling and seems this is the case for all TVs from all TV manufacturers, because people complain of the same thing.

So, I might have to buy another box with DVB-T+DVB-S if I want to get the channels. And these boxes cost as much as a television set. And it is possible that any other box ( e.g Dreambox, etc) will have the same problems. And I don't want too many remote controls :-)

This piss poor implementation is a terrible joke. I'm now a bit lost with what to do.

Will a Dreambox Ultra DM920 get around the problems I have?
Such as :

DVB-S get everything from my switches .
DVB-T get Belgian FTA transmissions.

Looks like I cannot ever get FranSat, because they have blocked all their cards on non-authorised devices. This will also include a CI+ module on my Philips TV, and of course a FranSat CI module put into a Dreambox etc.,
I imagine this is because my TV does not have HBB thingamijig on it, and I wonder if they use this to block FranSat reception based on IP address: My TV does not have network capabilities. Back to multistream.

 

[jeallen01]

@sophie101

You have done a lot of work, and (unfortunately!) the "results" do "confirm" my own views that TV sat tuners (having had 3 TV's with those before the current one) are a pain in the "posterior", both to set up (if you can?) and to use (and, IMHO, so are the "SMART" facilities in our LG set because trying to remember "what is where", and then the time to access the required channels, is just plain too time-consuming and confusing - my wife "doesn't stand a chance" in that area!).

Therefore, it's been my opinion for some years that separate sat &/or terrestrial TV boxes are the way to go - and at least you can buy another suitable one a few years later when the "SMART" facilities on the TV stop working because TV the manufacturer stops sending relevant f/w upgrades to cover the changes in channels and facilities.

 

[sophie101]

Well I had some fun this weekend.
28.2e disappeared from the channels list on my TV.

I phoned the guy who put up the 60cm fibreglass dish for 28.2 in 2021, (I have got a T55 with Sharp quad LNBs for the other beams). He told me that the LNB he used was a cheapy one because he had run out of Inverto quads that day. He apologised. We both forgot to replace the LNB sooner. The installer is quite good and knows his stuff.

I had watched the signal slowly decrease over the past year and put this down to poor positioning and vibrating fibreglass dish. I was wrong.

He will pop around next week to swap put the cheapo lnb for an Inverto quad.

Meanwhile, I found my old Silvercrest SL65. It is mpeg2 only. No HD. It is great for poor signals:
I put this in and it found many of the channels on 28.2e, but all BBC channels were unwatchable. Childrens channels like TinyPop, pop, citv just were not there. It got half of the SD channels. This made sense because it's a much better receiver than the TV. 19.2 and 13 also lack a large number of channels - Arte and TV5 weren't there.

But 5W on the switch was not found. It could not get anything at all. Perhaps there is also a switch problem on position 1/4 where 5W is. I added some missing TPs (not multistream TPs) to the 5w entry in the SL65, but there was no signal.

So, I suspect these two problems:
- a failing LNB
- poor s/w in my TV receiver,
and maybe a third:
- crap BEST switch.

What to do:
Replace LNB
And test switch and replace.

How good are these EMP-Centauri switches? I am thinking of this one:-

https://emp-centauri.cz/product/diseqc-switch-s8-1pcp-w2-p-168-w/

 

[jeallen01]

....How good are these EMP-Centauri switches? I am thinking of this one:-

https://emp-centauri.cz/product/diseqc-switch-s8-1pcp-w2-p-168-w/

See your separate new thread on the subject

 

[Channel Hopper]

Well I had some fun this weekend.
28.2e disappeared from the channels list on my TV.

I phoned the guy who put up the 60cm fibreglass dish for 28.2 in 2021, (I have got a T55 with Sharp quad LNBs for the other beams). He told me that the LNB he used was a cheapy one because he had run out of Inverto quads that day. He apologised. We both forgot to replace the LNB sooner. The installer is quite good and knows his stuff.

I had watched the signal slowly decrease over the past year and put this down to poor positioning and vibrating fibreglass dish. I was wrong.

He will pop around next week to swap put the cheapo lnb for an Inverto quad.

Meanwhile, I found my old Silvercrest SL65. It is mpeg2 only. No HD. It is great for poor signals:
I put this in and it found many of the channels on 28.2e, but all BBC channels were unwatchable. Childrens channels like TinyPop, pop, citv just were not there. It got half of the SD channels. This made sense because it's a much better receiver than the TV. 19.2 and 13 also lack a large number of channels - Arte and TV5 weren't there.

But 5W on the switch was not found. It could not get anything at all. Perhaps there is also a switch problem on position 1/4 where 5W is. I added some missing TPs (not multistream TPs) to the 5w entry in the SL65, but there was no signal.

So, I suspect these two problems:
- a failing LNB
- poor s/w in my TV receiver,
and maybe a third:
- crap BEST switch.

What to do:
Replace LNB
And test switch and replace.

How good are these EMP-Centauri switches? I am thinking of this one:-

https://emp-centauri.cz/product/diseqc-switch-s8-1pcp-w2-p-168-w/

I've not had a single failure of LNBs from Sharp, ever.

Invertos however......

 

[sophie101]

I've not had a single failure of LNBs from Sharp, ever.

Invertos however......

I kick myself for not getting another Sharp.

 

[jeallen01]

I've not had a single failure of LNBs from Sharp, ever.

Invertos however......

I think I may have had a Sharp Single fail about 20 yrs ago, but I'm not at all sure (not that I've had many of that brand)!