Planning permission for ham radio antenna

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A few month ago i installed a 35ft tower and a big 3 element V beam for my brother, just before Christmas he had a knock on the door from the council, asking if he had planning for it,

I had already told him that it goes on a points system and he did not need any, so he just told her that, obviously she did not leave it at that and arranged a visit for the 6th of this month with her superior,

On arrival they was taking a look and some pictures and said yes you need planning, i was there at the time of the visit and told them he did not need any unless they scored it more than 5 points, they both looked at each other and asked what i was talking about,

I took my laptop with me and went to get it from the car and showed them the link below for them to read through,
http://qso365.co.uk/2011/12/planning-permission-i-had-a-visit-and-a-letter-from-the-council/

They both still looked puzzled and of they went, today my bro got a phone call saying all is well and no planning is needed,

I wonder what would have happened if this was not pointed out to them. they did not have a clue about it:eek:
 
That's brilliant Martin. Well done.
 
Really great that Martin, i hate my local council (as you all know) the amount of grief i have had over the years, nice to see someone getting justic for once :-biglaugh
 
Yes, well done! I am yet to come across a helpful and knowledgeable council..
 
Really great that Martin, i hate my local council (as you all know) the amount of grief i have had over the years, nice to see someone getting justic for once :-biglaugh

My pal works in the planning office and says same applies for satellite dishes, even though i have planning for mine they could not do anything as they could not score it over 5 points where it will be sitting at the rear of the house and not seen from the road.

I feel for you Journey and unsure if the link would help you in the future if you wanted to try again.
 
Nice link Martin, saved it also.
I had a 60' tower up about 25 yrs ago and i can't remember having any visits or grief from them. But when some interfering dope from the council Knocked on my door about 8 yrs ago when i installed my 2.2mtr moaning about permission / planning etc i told them that i had had dish installations in place for over 15 yrs without any problems from my neighbors etc and that i actually had personally asked a member of the council, who lived two doors away from me , about installing the first one and was verbally told ok. This neighbor had passed away some years ago so they couldn't take it up with her. I ended up going round to all my surrounding neighbors and asked them to sign a statement from me saying that they had no objection to my dish installation and after a bit of puffing and blowing from them they agreed to let it stay.
Little Hitlers a lot of them :mad:

John
G0CCV.
 
I've saved the pdfs

I had to download them and take my laptop to the meeting, my bro said they not coming in my F/in* house:-lol and he does not own a laptop,

I am just so happy it turned out for him as i said it would, he does whittle and suffers with his nerves after loosing his wife a few years ago, he's 62 yrs old now.
 
although not a radio antenna i did a job(hobbywise of course) a few years ago for a guy from ethiopia, 1M ISS,Smart Titanium,Echolink stb fixed on BADR4. after the dish was up on the front of the house(high up on south facing wall) the next door neighbour, old bloke about 60ish came out to stick his nose in saying you cant put that up blah blah blah. didnt have a van outside so he started saying weres your van ect ect so before i smacked him in the mouth(daft i know) i told him i know the rules on dish sizes ect ect and gave him the standard booklet which i always have with me. anyway he reported the guy who then received a letter off the council threatening him saying your only allowed a 90cm dish(this was a few years after the size went up to 100cm). the ethiopian guy not wanting to get in trouble(rented council house) then phoned me saying take it down having to pay me again and having a sat system and no tv from home. i told him he wasnt breaking the law but he wouldnt have it saying dont want to upset anyone. so just show,s what a joke these councils are and that theres always someone willing to cause problems to someone else doing no harm really. regards
 
Nice result.

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Id like to know what my local planning would say to 9 dishes in the garden. :D

All hidden from the road, you can only see them by peering through the hedge (in winter) or coming through the garden gate (once the leaves are out in the hedge)

None of them are permanent structure - fence posts can easily be moved, my landlord doesnt care in the slightest apart from thinking Im a complete fruit loop and Ive had assorted numbers of dishes for about 10 years now.
 
^^^^ Well you've seen an earlier incarnation of mine own farm with four wall mounted dishes and one on Patio Mount and fortunately that can't be seen from anywhere public, fortunately!
 
The planning rules in Northern Ireland are different to over in Britain or from south of the border in that local councils are currently not responsible for them, they're are arm of the Dept. of Environment. However they are being mostly transferred when the new councils are in place in April, I'm not 100% sure of the ramifications other than the councils will now be responsible for their development plans.

In saying that, the basic rules regarding satellite dishes here are I think the same as in Britain (document here, PDF) - if the building is less than 15 metres tall then two antenna are allowed, one no more than 1 metre and another no more than 60cm in any linear dimension, which is a bit stupid over here considering that a Zone 2 dish which is some 75cm wide is almost always used for Sky reception - the old analogue regs at least noted that a single 80cm dish was allowed without PP.

I'm not one to say "**** the planning office!" because IMO there are reasons for their existence to ensure fairness of application (as well as not wanting an animal rendering plant located next door to me!) but inconsistencies can be a pain in the arse to deal with. Someone pointed this out here a while back in that someone could just dump an 8ft x 8ft x 8ft garden shed in their back garden and no eyelids would be blinked, but someone wanting to put in a satellite dish half its width and/or height on a patio mount would need PP. Another inconsistency I can give is that when I was still living with my parents, we had a new expensive terrestrial aerial setup installed which had a large UHF Group A for NI terrestrials, a mid-sized Group C/D for TV3 and TG4 from the Republic and a 10 element VHF Band III aerial for RTÉ 1 & 2 on a 15 foot pole on the chimney with no planning permission required. Because we lived half way up a hill (the wrong side for TV reception, hence the need for bigger than normal aerials), the array could be seen nearly half a mile away! It's still up there though I did take the Band III aerial down myself in the summer of 2012 (I'd moved out by this time) as it would have been redundant in a couple of months with the digital switch over here on both sides of the border, and the southern channels were available on Saorview.

At present, as my previous setup photos have shown, I have three dishes at ground level in my back garden at my current place, one 1 metre motorised on a patio mount, one 80cm multi-LNB attached to a washing line pole(!) and a Sky Zone 2 dish attached to a steel pole that is secured to a wooden mount buried under the soil. Technically my set up requires PP, in fact there is a fourth dish on the property high up on a side wall which was an old tenant's Sky dish that I haven't got round to removing yet as I don't have a ladder tall enough to reach it (it was already blown out of alignment before I moved in). However my back yard array can't be seen from any main road, and the road of the cul-de-sac estate in can at best only see the top third of the 80cm dish. There are a number of neighbouring back gardens in view of mine given the nature of the place, but I've had no one say boo and I try to make sure my neighbourly relations are good (basically, don't be a dick). The wall covering two sides of my heating oil tank is arguably more annoying to look at. A couple of them have even asked about the set up in interest. If the time comes when I get a letter querying about needing PP for the set up, then I'll simply try to comply - I keep my costs low where I can on this hobby, the thought of PP costs don't appeal to me and I tend to be a bit of stickler of not wanting to create too much fuss. There doesn't seem to be much enforcement of the rules of satellite dishes locally however, I my short time at the local planning office I never came across one enforcement notice or report on such, and at a block of flats I used to live in which wasn't more than 15 metres tall on the ground, there were at least six satellite dishes on the wall despite (a) only two being allowed excluding PP and (b) the fact that all tenants were supposed to get permission first from the housing association before getting the dish installed! So I think I'll be OK as long as I don't start completely taking the piss! I have the Sky dish pained silver to blend in better with the stones on the ground though I have a Zone 1 dish waiting once Astra 2G comes into service and Eutelsat 28A and Astra 2A retire, the rest of the dish painting will have to wait until better weather comes.

Would I like to see planning regulations changed regarding satellites dishes to allow bigger sizes as long as they make some consideration for their local environment? Absolutely. However as satellite enthusiasts we don't really have enough numbers to force some kind of political pressure for change on this compared to those who own garden sheds, or (locally) needing large TV aerials for cross-border reception. It could be worse though, like in some parts of the USA where you can't even change the colour of the walls of your house without getting permission of the local home owners association.
 
I wonder how far you could fight this one :),

In an extraordinary ruling, lawmakers in Strasbourg have warned that banning dishes on listed buildings, social housing and even private homes could breach the right to freedom of expression by preventing people from practice religion.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023359/Having-satellite-dish-human-right-says-European-court.html#ixzz3P6sY5vOZ
The attitude of the article and the most popular comments on it shows why it would be a difficult task to allow a relaxation of planning rules regarding satellite dishes. :rolleyes:
 
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