receiving Eutelsat W4 rusian Ntv,and Multichoice W7,at the same time in europe?

[Turok]

Hello!
at the moment i try to find out,is it posible,and where in europe,to receive the multichoice africa package on w 7,and ntv package,on w 4,at the same time!
i find,no information,about this on the net,this the reason why i start this topic!

in my area,near west germany,i got 192 channels of multichoice without any problems with 2,20 m dish,from the rusian channels ntv on w4,i still have no signal!
i got confirmed,from germany around 300 km more east,that was posible around 2 month ago,to receive 2 rusian transponders,a short time,when the temperature was colder outside!
other friends told me 300 km more east,when using circular /linar lnb,with 2m dish,the reception of eutelsat w4 of to transponders was posilbe,the signal strenth,when using circular lnb,was aproximently 3 db more stronger,but still very weak to look 24/7

before eutelsat w4 starts,,on the old satellite i make a test with circular lnb form inacom,with the result,that the kuband signal,has exactly the same strenth,then with a normal kuband lnb,my target is now,to find a way,on my location,to receive both beams at the same time!
at the moment i dont find my circular lnb,i have to lock where i have to put the flange version,i also have the smw depolarizer,but i have to make a connection first of 40 meter wire cable to controll the depolarizer,this are the first time,and first posibility,that i can make this kind of test,before the satellite replacement,i have no circular/linar signal to test it!

the area,where it is posible to receive both beams at the same time is very little,600 km more is in vienna region,the receive with the same dish size,the rusian channels,also with a normal kuband lnb,but no ,multichoice,the chance to receive both beams,with the depolarizer i think here is very high,but not an easy to adjust!

when someone can receive both beams,at the same time,it would be very intresting to know,what are the location,what dish size is used,and how is the signal strenth/ day night time?
also reports in fringe reception areas,where it is posible,to receive rusian channels,and multichoice very weak ,are welcome!
some reports i read ,from people,that live in area where the have strong ntv signal,the say,that,both signal are block each other,when i look on the freqency list,one or to transponder,of ntv/mutlichoice using exact same freqency,in other polarity!
my last question,how much,the signal quality will be real better,when i use the smw x 10 depolareizer on circular lnb,what would happen with the circular signal,when i use normal kubnad lnb instead?

thanks for your input!

 

[yunnowho]

Hello Turok,
I live in SLovenia, that's aprox. 300 km south from you, I use Channel Master Type 243 - 2.4 m offset dish with Invacom QDF-031 quad LNB (works best for Astra 2D reception donw here).
Yesterday i've checked 36° east position signal reception. First I've tried the linear polarity. I can only receive Eurasia beam transpoders with very different strenghts; from 11 dBi to 19.5 dBi that is very surprising for me, why so big difference between transpoders of same beam pattern?
Next i've tried Sub-Sahara beam where i can not get any signal at all! Another big surprise for me as you live much more north from me (away from SubSahara beam) and you said that you receive all Multichoice transponders. What on earth of equipment (LNB, Feed, dish) are you using to get that? I can not believe that when i'm so much southern than you with relatively good dish CM 243 i can't get any Multichoice freq.

For the final test I've put SMW XD12 depolarizer in between the Waveguide to check if i might get W4 russian beam, where i noticed that when sky cleared of all clouds i manage to briefly lock to two transpoders 12284 R and 11727 L with 4.2 dBi. I guess i would need bigger dish for russians, while you are more closer to that beam you could get it easely.

Please let me know what equipment do you use to get SubSahara signals?

 

[Turok]

Hallo!
i live in the west of austria,around 700 km away from you near german and switzerland border,
its naarly the "end"of the multichoice beam,more going east to viena signal of multichoice gone,and the rusians are coming,around in the midle,there must be a place,you get both beams i think,in my area is posible to get rusians i think,when motor of my 3,0 m antenna is fixed i can say more i have also the smw xd12 but i dont find at the moment i have to look where i put,do you using circular lnb or normal kuband lnb with the smw xd 12?

my dish i receive multichoice at the moment is 2,20 M Tagra Brand,a 15 year old dish,tagra comes from barcelona spain,i dont find much about this brand on the net,but the quality looks better and more massive then kathrein or prescision weight is around 130 kg,the scew on multichoice is very important,the lnb output,shows nearly direct to the sky,when a move only a little bit,more down the complete signal are gone!

 

[Moradabad]

Hello Turok,
I live in SLovenia, that's aprox. 300 km south from you, I use Channel Master Type 243 - 2.4 m offset dish with Invacom QDF-031 quad LNB (works best for Astra 2D reception donw here).
Yesterday i've checked 36° east position signal reception. First I've tried the linear polarity. I can only receive Eurasia beam transpoders with very different strenghts; from 11 dBi to 19.5 dBi that is very surprising for me, why so big difference between transpoders of same beam pattern?
Next i've tried Sub-Sahara beam where i can not get any signal at all! Another big surprise for me as you live much more north from me (away from SubSahara beam) and you said that you receive all Multichoice transponders. What on earth of equipment (LNB, Feed, dish) are you using to get that? I can not believe that when i'm so much southern than you with relatively good dish CM 243 i can't get any Multichoice freq.

For the final test I've put SMW XD12 depolarizer in between the Waveguide to check if i might get W4 russian beam, where i noticed that when sky cleared of all clouds i manage to briefly lock to two transpoders 12284 R and 11727 L with 4.2 dBi. I guess i would need bigger dish for russians, while you are more closer to that beam you could get it easely.

Please let me know what equipment do you use to get SubSahara signals?

Can anyone explain when there is Prime focus KU LNB's in market why you people are using Seperate C-120 Flange feedhorn.

Have you tried Prime Focus KU LNB's which comes inbuild feed

 

[Turok]

Hello!
mostly the old pfa antennas,use only the old c120 flange standart,and with the feedhorn together you have better signal!
iam using the incaom INVACOM SNF-031 see ebay item number 110511335595 for picture!
before,w7 starts,i read some reports on the net,that the also plan a 3th. beam,that "ends" over the czech republic,maybe a rumor,we will see

some transponder using same freqency and symbolrates,in my area both beams very weak,i think the chance could be higher to get both beams,then in areas,where on of each beam,have to high signal,then we get overlaped signal..!

 

[yunnowho]

@Turok, thanks for such quick reply.
This is what surprised me, your dish smaller and you even located more away from beam.
I will try today with my Invacom QDF-031 F connectors upside, as if i understood you, your LNB (you did not say which one you are using) is turned "on the head"-upside, so that F connector is looking in the sky.

I'm using XD12 when i want to get circular polarization as i do not have circular LNB, but normal Invacom. I have lend a SMW Q-PLL Type L lnb but it outperforms ever worse. I dunno why?

@Moradabad
Because we use bigger than "standard" dishes and want to squize most of the signal. Usually Feedhorn should be a part of the dish geometry/design. Reads simple: If you want to get most of your dish you have to use matching feedhorn of the dish design.

 

[Turok]

Hello Moradabad,and all others!
plz can you try to delete your pm box,i try to send you a massage but your box was full!
in my test in the past on old w4,the kuband signal has exatly the same strenth,then with a nomal kuband lnb,do you use the polarizer from smw,with your normal kuband lnb,or the circular lnb?
i have one from incacom usa import,and a normal one,from aspen eagle usa import also!
i forgot the lof for the circular lnb,what i have to set?
long time ago since i use it last time!
i am using, a mti flange lnb single 0.3 db,nothing special!
scew in your area is diffrent
check satlex.de_ to show picture of nesarsary scew for geograhpical location in your area,simple type your diseqec paramenters in,select your city!

 

[Moradabad]

Hello Moradabad,and all others!
plz can you try to delete your pm box,i try to send you a massage but your box was full!
in my test in the past on old w4,the kuband signal has exatly the same strenth,then with a nomal kuband lnb,do you use the polarizer from smw,with your normal kuband lnb,or the circular lnb?
i have one from incacom usa import,and a normal one,from aspen eagle usa import also!
i forgot the lof for the circular lnb,what i have to set?
long time ago since i use it last time!
i am using, a mti flange lnb single 0.3 db,nothing special!
scew in your area is diffrent
check satlex.de_ to show picture of nesarsary scew for geograhpical location in your area,simple type your diseqec paramenters in,select your city!

Thanks Turok for wonderful explanation, I have deleted some messages from my Inbox.

Now you can send me message.

Turok but if you see PRIME FOCUS KU LNB's its more or less the same.Se my FUJI PFA LNB, I dont think there will be any signal difference between FUJI and invocom C 120 LNB.

 

[Moradabad]

@Turok, thanks for such quick reply.
This is what surprised me, your dish smaller and you even located more away from beam.
I will try today with my Invacom QDF-031 F connectors upside, as if i understood you, your LNB (you did not say which one you are using) is turned "on the head"-upside, so that F connector is looking in the sky.

I'm using XD12 when i want to get circular polarization as i do not have circular LNB, but normal Invacom. I have lend a SMW Q-PLL Type L lnb but it outperforms ever worse. I dunno why?

@Moradabad
Because we use bigger than "standard" dishes and want to squize most of the signal. Usually Feedhorn should be a part of the dish geometry/design. Reads simple: If you want to get most of your dish you have to use matching feedhorn of the dish design.

yunnowho we also use 3.7 M dishes specially for KU band but never use any feed horn, when I tried Prime Focus KU LNB on same dish we get NO SIGNAL.

Only normal Offset LNB works with these antennas.

See the snap below.

 

[yunnowho]

Thank you again Turok, i manage to get some transpoders from Sub-Sahara beam using my CM 2.4 m offset and Invacom LNB. I am only able to receive these 7 transponders of Multichoice (look at pictures below), all others are not getting to me.
But when the sky is absolutely clear (not even smaller cloud) i am able to get Russian beam but only transponder 12284 R. Even using XD12 depolarizer (with linear/invacom LN the signal arrives here on the limit to lock on. I will make snapshot when sky gets clear.
So i think that if I would use bigger dish like 3.0 or 3.7 m i will meet your requirements in topic to receive both Sub-Sahara and Russian beam from my location, no?

 

[Turok]

thank you for your report,where i can find,the signal meter plugin for db 800,i dont have it installed on my dreambox 800
yes in night time signal is better then on daytime!
on gregory 1,.25 i got 5 transponders in the night,on daytime all are gone with this dishzize!

 

[yunnowho]

I use Dream Elite image on my dm8000; i simply go to Setup-Service searching-Signal Finder, and there i make snapshot.
...i still wonder how do you get more signal with smaller dish than me with big one, specially that i'm closer to beam pattern
You did good work on your setup

 

[Ramino]

Hi ,
Am really suprized how can you recive Multichoce Africa from the Sub-sahara beam on W7 knowing that you are in west Germany...
coz the beam dosnt cover Europe at all , you really gave me a hope coz i was in Ethiopia befor 6 months
and i subscribed there and i went after 6 months to Saudi arabia in Riyadh for work so i was watching Multichoce channels on intelsat 7/10 C-band , but after 31-5-2010 i see that they will stop trnsmission on this sat to chang to W7 wich dosnt cover where iam in Saudi arabia , so Turok is there a chance for me to recive this pakage of Multichoice on w7 by 1,90 cm in Riyadh city the same way you got the chance to recive it in Germany...
i really tried to send you an e-mail throw the fourm but i guess there is no way so i had to replay to this old thead so ican get your help...
i realy will be so happy and thankfull if you help me in my problem in reciving the Multichoice africa channel on the sub-sahara beam
Your thankfull Rami meggi

this is the pictuer cover of the sub-shara beam:


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[Ramino]

Hi Turok,
am really suprized how did you recived the w7 sub - sahara beam of multichice while you live in West Germany
you really gave me a hope , can i recive the w7 sub- sahara beam in Saudi Arabia in Riyadh city coz i work there and i recive the chnnels for now on intelsat 7/10 C-band but they will stop transmisson on 31-5-2010 to the w7 sub-sahara so is there any hope that i can recive those channels on w7 in my area in KSA ,i will be so thankful for your help Mr. Turok
this is a link is to see the cover of the sub-shara beam on w7

-http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/coverage/downlink/36e-w7-ssa.gif

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[Turok]

hello!
thanks for your reply!
that what i see on the footprint list,did not reflect the "reality!"
in other words,with todays spotbeams,its maybe soon a imposible mission,to make footprint maps,that you can trust like we have in the past!
when i would belive this,what the map says,i should also receive nothing,the funy think,is 500 km more east in my country,you got nothing form this beam with 3,70 m andrew and hungary i read on other posts!
i cannot imagine that multichoice switch off all channels in cband only sports channels for the moment,because of worldcups,and people told me in thailand the have problems with the transmision rights with ubc true,because every cable operator spread the signal from cband for free in there networks,this the reason why the have to swtich off!
(hopfully only during worldcup"!
still looking for 36 east dstv smartcard ,for orginal price import of 1500€ of some dealers to expensice,maybe a imposible!

yes i try to give hope to everyone,sometimes not easy,but i do my best
i also never give up,and think positive,no matter what will happen!

 

[Turok]

today,i make some pictures,from my 2,20 m tagra dish,in my garden after one month of cold and bad weather the sun comes back!
i convert the size of 10 mpixel picutre,now i liitle bit lower,and hope i can now upload to the board since the soft upgrade,i haved the problem,that the boarsoft did not automaticly convert down the maximum allowed filesize,i have to to by my self with a tool,hope it works now!

the antenna has aproixementy 140 kg,and around 15 year old,tagra i only know was a company in barcelona/spain,quality of the surface,for my looks better then on my kathrein cas/180 dish prescision,in other picutres,the nesarsary scew of lnb with incacom adjustable feedhorn,need long time,with my satlook nit meter to get signal,in all other scew postion i have no signal on the back picture the other antenna is 1.50m irte,for expres 40 east,rusian mpeg 4 channels!
good that the distance to nabours house is far away enough,to look over the roof,other wise,it would be not imposible,to install 130 kg antenna on my 15 meter high roof!

 

[yunnowho]

Indeed the footprint by Eutelsat web is not real.
On _http://www.satbeams.com/footprints are more real.
Here you can see for example why UK have better Sub-Sahara signal than Germany even if it's in more northern latitude.

 

[Turok]

Hello!
thanks for the picutres!
one questions again,about the smw xd 12 !
i have found now everything,the only thing that mis at the moment i dont find the water protection ring and the screws for the invacom lnb

about the xd 12 i should know,how many signal lost i have with this device?
more then one db?
i still dont understand,why the signal should be better with this,when cicular converted in to linar,and via versa,or did i understand something wrong how xd 12 is working?
is the signal lost lower,then the gain win with it?

 

[yunnowho]

A little circular tech-gage, i find interesting to read
_http://web.archive.org/web/20001209051900/www.smw.se/qa/qa5.htm
_http://web.archive.org/web/20001209051900/www.smw.se/qa/qa8.htm
_http://web.archive.org/web/20001209051900/www.smw.se/qa/qa9.htm

later on when i get back home, i'll check comparison with and without XD12, i think i have it on computer somewhere.

 

[adonis1]

this is the pictuer cover of the sub-shara beam:
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This is the whole picture !!! of the footprint Sub-Sahara African beam