Rte Tv In South Of Spain

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Does anybody know what size dish is requires to view Irish TV channels RTE 1, RTE 2, and TV3 in the south of Spain in the Murcia area. I think 2.4 meter may just be a little too small.
 
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Does anybody know what size dish is requires to view Irish TV channels RTE 1, RTE 2, and TV3 in the south of Spain in the Murcia area. I think 2.4 meter may just be a little too small.
You will not get them 24 hours per day with a 2,4m or even 3m dish

They are on a 2D horizontal transponder (if they were on a vertical you'd get them 24x7 with a 2,4m), and will disappear at night between 1800 and 2100 depending on time of year, weather and dish size.

As a yardstick, the 3,6m dish in Torrevieja which feeds most of the CB South microwave services loses BBC2 (also a 2D horizontal) for a couple of hours around 2200.

It's a question of how much money you're willing to spend to chase those extra few hours. Maybe a 4,2m would pull them in - I don't know as the 3,6m is the biggest I know of anywhere in the area.
 
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Thanks.

I have a microsystem and dont loose RTE1 + RTE2 at all. My place is in Jacarilla near Bigastro, but am moving to a villa with lots of space for a big dish. Can get my hands on a 2.7m dish at the right price. Do you know what LNB I should look at and also would a feedhorn be useful.
 
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Thanks.

I have a microsystem and dont loose RTE1 + RTE2 at all.
That's worth knowing. What you should do is to contact your provider and ask for details of the dish. The chances are that one way or another it's sourced from the 3,6m I mentioned earlier - lots of providers piggy-back off it.

In that case, The RTE transponder is just that bit stronger than that for BBC2 (about which I know a lot more).

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My place is in Jacarilla near Bigastro, but am moving to a villa with lots of space for a big dish. Can get my hands
on a 2.7m dish at the right price. Do you know what LNB I should look at and also would a feedhorn be useful.
I'm assuming it's a prime focus dish, in which case the obvious LNB is the Invacom 0,3dB quad. The Invacoms are universally used with large dishes out here, and for a very good reason - they are the best.

As for feedhorns, you should first of all try the one that comes with the dish. Others to try are Invacom's adjustable model and the large adjustable one that this forum's very own Big Nick supplies from Cyprus

Finally be aware that just because it's 2,7m it doesn't necessarily mean it will be better than a 2,4m. A lot depends on how well it's made and whether it's had any knocks to put it out of true.
 
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In the Marbella area a 1.2m offset will get all 2D transmissions 24/7. Very confusingly slightly to the north (and east) the dish size required is larger.

Ask about locally and check our 2D reception map - I'd recommend that you never buy a dish before seeing what people use in that area, 2D has strange side lobes small distances can make huge difference in fringe reception areas.
 
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Polomint, when it comes to reception from Astra 2D, The Costa del Sol and Costa Blanca are worlds apart! The Costa del Sol is in the fortunate position of being in a side lobe; the Costa Blanca is in a very weak spot, centred (as near as makes no odds) on the village of Busot north east of Alicante.
To get anything decent at all we need a 2,4m dish.

We also have the quirk that the vertically polarized transponders are much easier to get than the horizontally polarized ones.

RTE is broadcast on 10744H - a horizontally polarized transponder, which makes it hard for Byrnech to get it (which he knows, which is why he's asking the question).

Fortunately for him, Bigastro is some way south of the weak point and so things are not quite so hard as they are further north.

I don't have an Irish card to test my own reception (RTE is scrambled). I still think the best idea is to ask the provider who gets it 24x7 what size their dish is.
 
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Yes I wasn't disagreeing with you billnot, in fact agreeing that it really is important to find out from someone in the area exactly what they use.

I was just giving the Marbella area as an example of how strange the 2D reception is. I had remembered Murcia being somewhere between costa del sol and costa blanca so thought this might have some use. :)
 
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Thanks to both of you gents ?, I have a better idea now. The cost of a 2.4 dish/fitted is approx 1300 euro in this area. I can get a 2.7 dish (I don't know a lot about the make, though it is for motorised but I can fix it and its not solid, a bit like those old US dishes from the 80's) the thing is, its from Dubai and will cost approx 120 euro!!! (not rocket science to see the financial benefits)I work in the airlines so I will be able to get it to Murcia without much problem. I will definitly let you know the results. Any idea the angle the dish should be at? they are a lot higher than anything in Ireland.

! last question, if you can help. I have a 1 meter solid dish(no name) with a universal lnb(no name) pointed at eutelsat w2 for digitalb(football) the signal strength is approx 72 and the quality 45-52. In the rain I loose the signal. Also the angle of the dish is a lot lower than astra/hotbird. Any suggestions. Perhaps a higher gain LNB. Any help will be appreciated. And thanks for all your help...I live in Dublin by the way
 
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Thanks to both of you gents ?, I have a better idea now. The cost of a 2.4 dish/fitted is approx 1300 euro in this area. I can get a 2.7 dish (I don't know a lot about the make, though it is for motorised but I can fix it and its not solid, a bit like those old US dishes from the 80's) the thing is, its from Dubai and will cost approx 120 euro!!! (not rocket science to see the financial benefits)I work in the airlines so I will be able to get it to Murcia without much problem. I will definitly let you know the results. Any idea the angle the dish should be at? they are a lot higher than anything in Ireland.
A lot of the older US dishes are for C band reception, most european stuff is Ku band. A mesh dish designed for C band will not work with Ku band as the mesh is too far apart and most of the signal literally passes right through it - it would be a good idea to check before you ship the dish exactly what kind it is, or take a picture and upload it here :)
 
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At 120 Euros, I can see why you want to try your 2,7m dish, and I hope it works for you, but somehow I'm dubious.

If it doesn't, contact installers working in the area, explain what you want and see what they can do. It may cost a bit more, but it could also save you a lot of wasted money.

I have lost count of the number of people who have gone for a cheaper option (i.e. a 1,9m dish or the poor quality Turkish 2,4m) only to change their mind when they find they are not getting the reception they would like.
 
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Hi. I'm back again. I finally got that villa, its in La Marina, by the coast, north of Torrevieja. A lot has changed since the last posting. The micromesh system has been shut down (apperantly on SKY's instructions) Now I'm not so sure that I will be able to get RTE tv at all. Just a few questions. Which will deliver the higher gain. A prime focus or an offset dish. I will have to go for at least the 2.4 meter but does anybody know where I could get a 2.7 dish. (I'v decided not to go for the one from Dubai, even though it was a ku band, just too many unanswered questions.) Thanks
 
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_www.laminas.com.pl

They have an excellent 2.7m dish.

They also have dealer in Spain.
 
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Thanks for that Charlie20

I'v checked that website. These seem to be polish dishes but available from Madrid. Does anybody know anything about them. by the pics they seem to be offset dishes. Just dont want to get something bigger simply because of size, then find out gain is the same oas something way smaller.:-doh! Thanks
 
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These are a good solid dish but not as good as the Famaval 3.1 (I know Famaval are bigger but does not stand as tall as it is prime focus). The Famaval however is not quite as rigid and can wobble in the wind without correct stabilisation.
I always say go to your local bars that have BBC/RTE/ITV etc, have a couple of beers in each one and chat to the landlord he will tell you what size of dish he uses and if it breaks up etc. There really is no substitute for local knowledge.
Also bigger is generally better - the satellite itself will age over time and signal levels will drop slightly.

Good luck
 
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Also watch out for dealers mis-selling offset dishes by advertising them as their longest diameter (eg a 1.2m by 1.4m dish being advertised as 1.4m rather than 1.2m) this used to be very common on the southern coast.
 
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The micromesh system has been shut down (apperantly on SKY's instructions)
This is interesting.
Are you saying some of these systems are being shut down?For many years these systems
have been unchallenged by the authorities.
This could make quite a change if stricter rules are applied about rebroadcasting in Spain.
 
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Yes

Check out _http://www.torrevieja.co.uk. There are dozens of threads relating to this. Not all of the channels have been affected, but there is no sky (except news) and no sport fropm sky either.:-Nooo:mad:)(-red
 
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Hi

Just an update for anybody interested in RTE1/RTE2, TV3 and TG4. I finally moved into the villa. Its between Jacarilla and Benejuzar and purchased a portugese 2.4m prime focus dish with a quad invacom lnb. I share this dish with my neighbour (2 feeds each) I get good reception though not 24/7 rte1,2. tv3 and tg4 reception :):):-rofl2as well as the rest including 24/7 bbc2. The guy who installed said that we are incredibly lucky because just in that area, there seems to be a higher than normal gain than for the overall area. Hense the Irish channels on a 2.4 dish.
 
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Thanks for letting us know. Was wondering what happened in this story. What kind of cash did the install cost?
 
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The full installation cost €1300. €650 each .That is positioning the dish between the 2 houses so its approx 50m and 75m from each house. Very neat job. I'm very happy with the outcome.:)
 
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