sat dish and receiver doubt

[siroscar]

Hi!

I would like to try having a satellite dish but I don't understand much of the subject and I have some doubts about the process, basically the necessary equipment and what is needed to do, if you can give some help it would be nice!

From what I understand with the dish it is possible to directly get the feeds from the satellite and then the receiver receives the feed and transmits it on TV.

But then I'm a little doubtful in terms of equipment that is necessary to buy for this.

Some questions I have are:
- we need to buy a satellite dish, but how big should it be? I've seen them with 60, 80 cm and over 1 meter, I also saw some dishes with an engine system
- Then in terms of receivers I saw the amiko 8155hd line ccam seem, do you know if it works for this goal?
- And for what I understand the feeds are encoded, does the receiver (for example the amiko or another) automatically decode the feeds or is something else needed?
- Also do you know if its necessary to buy a satellite card for PC? Or is it just the satellite dish and the receiver?

Thanks!

 

[ozumo]

For feeds the bigger the dish the better. A few are strong and receivable on 60cm, many are receivable on 1.2M, some need even larger. 1M would be a good starting point. Feeds are spread over many satellites so a motor would be useful to move the dish between them.

Feeds can be received on a standalone receiver or a PC with satellite card. Many receivers can also be connected to the local network which allows a PC to view the channels the satellite receiver receives without a dedicated satellite card in the PC.

Sorry we can't and won't help with the decryption of encrypted feeds, or channels that you don't legitimately pay for.

 

[Gladstones]

Hi!

I would like to try having a satellite dish but I don't understand much of the subject and I have some doubts about the process, basically the necessary equipment and what is needed to do, if you can give some help it would be nice!

From what I understand with the dish it is possible to directly get the feeds from the satellite and then the receiver receives the feed and transmits it on TV.

But then I'm a little doubtful in terms of equipment that is necessary to buy for this.

Some questions I have are:
- we need to buy a satellite dish, but how big should it be? I've seen them with 60, 80 cm and over 1 meter, I also saw some dishes with an engine system
- Then in terms of receivers I saw the amiko 8155hd line ccam seem, do you know if it works for this goal?
- And for what I understand the feeds are encoded, does the receiver (for example the amiko or another) automatically decode the feeds or is something else needed?
- Also do you know if its necessary to buy a satellite card for PC? Or is it just the satellite dish and the receiver?

Thanks!

Dish will receive a signal from the satellite then the lnb (small black thing mounted on dish arm) collect the signal from the dish and send it to receiver.
Some channels are free to air and some are encrypted.
you can watch FTA channels on you tv for encrypted channels you need to subscribe through a provider for example in uk it’s SKY.
satellite used by your country transmitting very strong signal so small dish needed.
if you want to watch satellite bit far away or weak signal you need a big dish.
so dish size depends on the satellite you want to watch.
for receiver it’s depends what you want to watch /subscriber.
Most of the dishes are fixed but some of them are motorised ( engine).

 

[siroscar]

For feeds the bigger the dish the better. A few are strong and receivable on 60cm, many are receivable on 1.2M, some need even larger. 1M would be a good starting point. Feeds are spread over many satellites so a motor would be useful to move the dish between them.

Feeds can be received on a standalone receiver or a PC with satellite card. Many receivers can also be connected to the local network which allows a PC to view the channels the satellite receiver receives without a dedicated satellite card in the PC.

Sorry we can't and won't help with the decryption of encrypted feeds, or channels that you don't legitimately pay for.

Hi! Thank you for your explanation! In terms of dishes the only thing that matters is the size? I already saw some of aluminum others of another materials, some are blank others with different colors, so I don't know if only the size matter or if there are other specs that should be considered as well. And same thing for the receptor do you know we should have in consideration when choosing a receptor?

 

[Offtensive]

Hi! Thank you for your explanation! In terms of dishes the only thing that matters is the size?

As a fellow rookie, you need to consider how easy the dish is to align.

Have a read through the final few pages of my thread, and you'll get an idea of the struggles that I have been having.

Multi LNB Set up on a Sky Dish

FWIW, when I find Thor at 0.8W with a steerable dish, I fix a cane/ stick /piece of wooden batten a short distance in front of it ,and inline with that sat, so that I can easily repoint the dish towards Thor again if I later "lose the plot" - the one in front of the Gibby is on the end of the...

www.satellites.co.uk

 

[siroscar]

Dish will receive a signal from the satellite then the lnb (small black thing mounted on dish arm) collect the signal from the dish and send it to receiver.
Some channels are free to air and some are encrypted.
you can watch FTA channels on you tv for encrypted channels you need to subscribe through a provider for example in uk it’s SKY.
satellite used by your country transmitting very strong signal so small dish needed.
if you want to watch satellite bit far away or weak signal you need a big dish.
so dish size depends on the satellite you want to watch.
for receiver it’s depends what you want to watch /subscriber.
Most of the dishes are fixed but some of them are motorised ( engine).

Hi! Thank you also for your explanation! So, in terms of receptors what do you consider that is important to have in consideration for someone who watches tv more for sports, particular football?

 

[ozumo]

Yes size is the main factor. Aluminium dishes are more resistant to corrosion and weigh less, fibreglass dishes are generally more robust. If by "receptor" you mean LNB, I would look for one that has a 4G filter, especially if you live near mobile phone transmitters. Inverto LNBs are popular, you will most likely need a 40mm universal type LNB.

 

[siroscar]

As a fellow rookie, you need to consider how easy the dish is to align.

Have a read through the final few pages of my thread, and you'll get an idea of the struggles that I have been having.

Multi LNB Set up on a Sky Dish

FWIW, when I find Thor at 0.8W with a steerable dish, I fix a cane/ stick /piece of wooden batten a short distance in front of it ,and inline with that sat, so that I can easily repoint the dish towards Thor again if I later "lose the plot" - the one in front of the Gibby is on the end of the...

www.satellites.co.uk

Thanks! it doesn't seem to be easy, but the process to learn how these things work, despite hard for beginners, must be fun, for me it's all new, have a dish that receives feeds from a sat, it seems really cool! Do you already had success solving the issues you´re having on the implementation of this? If not, good luck !!

 

[Offtensive]

Thanks! it doesn't seem to be easy, but the process to learn how these things work, despite hard for beginners, must be fun, for me it's all new, have a dish that receives feeds from a sat, it seems really cool! Do you already had success solving the issues you´re having on the implementation of this? If not, good luck !!

I’m getting there bit by bit, but I still have a fair bit of work to do.

 

[siroscar]

Yes size is the main factor. Aluminium dishes are more resistant to corrosion and weigh less, fibreglass dishes are generally more robust. If by "receptor" you mean LNB, I would look for one that has a 4G filter, especially if you live near mobile phone transmitters. Inverto LNBs are popular, you will most likely need a 40mm universal type LNB.

Ah ok, thank you! Do you know if in terms of a receiver vs a PC with satellite card, there is some difiference in terms of image quality or latency, or its basically the same? And also the difference is that the receiver is to watch on tv right? Sorry maybe its a very beginner question but Im just learning about this and still a bit confused how it works!

 

[ozumo]

Ah ok, thank you! Do you know if in terms of a receiver vs a PC with satellite card, there is some difiference in terms of image quality or latency, or its basically the same? And also the difference is that the receiver is to watch on tv right? Sorry maybe its a very beginner question but Im just learning about this and still a bit confused how it works!

Generally no difference in image quality, though a PC, depending on which software you use, should give you more options to tweak the image to your liking. A PC will also be able to view more video formats.

Latency wise I would expect a receiver to have slightly less lag due to it being dedicated hardware, but I have never directly compared.

 

[Gladstones]

Hi! Thank you also for your explanation! So, in terms of receptors what do you consider that is important to have in consideration for someone who watches tv more for sports, particular football?

There are some channels on different satellites which show football free to air.
for example 5W,1W,13E,42E and 52E.
you can check at the following website the dish size and signal coverage in you area.
Satbeams.com

 

[Analoguesat]

The first question is "what EXACTLY are you looking for?"

Many feeds are secure encrypted, transmitted by fibre or use transmission parameters not available to the general hobbyist. Or use such low powers that even bigger dishes might stuggle.

If you are looking for general news then the Reuters feed on 22W is an easy catch on a 80 cm dish. However if you want the gee gees or Premiership football you are going to struggle to find these as especially the football is often fed by fibre links from the grounds today. The days of getting access to all the 3pm kickoffs is long gone - the European broadcasters that carry them tend to have the same game on nowadays.

 

[siroscar]

There are some channels on different satellites which show football free to air.
for example 5W,1W,13E,42E and 52E.
you can check at the following website the dish size and signal coverage in you area.
Satbeams.com

Hi, sorry but can you explain how do you view that information? Im on the site I dont know if Im in the correct page. I clicked in "Footprints" and then clicking on the map it appears a popup saying "EIRP level 38 dbw" and "Recommended Rx antenna size 190cm". So its necessary to buy a 190cm dish? Its that it? And that site also shows the information about the football sattelites for football that you said (5W,1W, etc)? Thank you!

 

[Analoguesat]

Hi, sorry but can you explain how do you view that information? Im on the site I dont know if Im in the correct page. I clicked in "Footprints" and then clicking on the map it appears a popup saying "EIRP level 38 dbw" and "Recommended Rx antenna size 190cm". So its necessary to buy a 190cm dish? Its that it? And that site also shows the information about the football sattelites for football that you said (5W,1W, etc)? Thank you!

No check the encryption details of the channels as well - many of the channels use sytems that are difficult or expensive to get hold of unless you have family or friends in the target country.

Also - you do realise just how big a 1.9m dish it & how much work you need to do to safely mount it?? Plus if you are in the UK - good luck getting planning permission!

 

[Gladstones]

Hi, sorry but can you explain how do you view that information? Im on the site I dont know if Im in the correct page. I clicked in "Footprints" and then clicking on the map it appears a popup saying "EIRP level 38 dbw" and "Recommended Rx antenna size 190cm". So its necessary to buy a 190cm dish? Its that it? And that site also shows the information about the football sattelites for football that you said (5W,1W, etc)? Thank you!

You are on the right page dbw is signal power in decibel watt more power small dish required. No it’s not necessary to buy such a big dish
Signals can be ku or c band
Purple colour signal map is for c band which requires a big dish and light red colour map is for ku band which require small dish. Nowadays ku band is used
You are better off buying a small dish maybe 80 cm , ku band Lnb , any fta basic receiver , some f connectors and cable to connect lnb to the receiver.
Then learn how to align a dish to high signal satellite in your area.
That’s the only way to learn.

 

[siroscar]

The first question is "what EXACTLY are you looking for?"

Many feeds are secure encrypted, transmitted by fibre or use transmission parameters not available to the general hobbyist. Or use such low powers that even bigger dishes might stuggle.

If you are looking for general news then the Reuters feed on 22W is an easy catch on a 80 cm dish. However if you want the gee gees or Premiership football you are going to struggle to find these as especially the football is often fed by fibre links from the grounds today. The days of getting access to all the 3pm kickoffs is long gone - the European broadcasters that carry them tend to have the same game on nowadays.

Hi! Ah I didn't know that, so basically buy a dish and a receptor only for watching football nowadays is useless because the transmission is not even transmitted to the satellite instead is transmitted by fiber, is that it? What I understood before is that with the dish it is possible to directly get the feeds from the satellite but so nowadays the football feeds are not in the satellite so its useless to have a dish and a receptor for this? Thank you!

 

[siroscar]

You are on the right page dbw is signal power in decibel watt more power small dish required. No it’s not necessary to buy such a big dish
Signals can be ku or c band
Purple colour signal map is for c band which requires a big dish and light red colour map is for ku band which require small dish. Nowadays ku band is used
You are better off buying a small dish maybe 80 cm , ku band Lnb , any fta basic receiver , some f connectors and cable to connect lnb to the receiver.
Then learn how to align a dish to high signal satellite in your area.
That’s the only way to learn.

Hi! Thank you, but in that ku or c band is possible to watch football or nowadays its not possible to watch football games with this system anymore because football is transmitted by fiber? I'm not understanding that!

 

[a33]

Sport Events - SportEventz | Live sports schedule on TV

SportEventz provides TV and satellite sports schedules with broadcasting channel details such as frequency, channel - free and encrypted. SportEventz also provides detailed channel information for unencrypted (free) sport events. Get everything that's live on sat.

www.sporteventz.com

This website gives an impression of what you can receive of soccer transmissions on certain satellites/websites, FTA or with subsciption.

Apart from that, there are websites that publish actual feeds. For instance here: DXtv.de | Feeds

Greetz,
A33

 

[Channel Hopper]

There are plenty of feeds and channels putting out football on satellite. The issue is usually the leagues and teams being shown are not exactly what the viewer wants to watch.