SKY BOX ....and two dishs

[Dan Dan]

now we have lost some channels here in tenerife,i was thinking about offering arabsat at 26 as well as 28,BUT USING THE EXISTING SKY box....anyone know how i can switch between ...

 

[ralphmagno]

hello,
as far as i know a sky box can not receive anything else.
no a deam box is different it can receive anything that is in the clear.
ralph

 

[2cvbloke]

Using the "Other channels" option on the sky box would get you some channels, but not all of them, and there's no guarantee it'll remember them either, your best bet is to use the sky box for sky and a real satellite box for real satellite TV...

And using a real satellite box would mean you could throw in a DiSEqC switch to switch between the two feeds, something a sky box cannot do, and you'd probably be able to set up the switch so that the 28e feed is on input 1 so that when the real box is powered down or in Standby, you could loop through to the sky box and use it as normal, though I've never tried that so can't be 100% sure of success...

Pretty much any non-sky receiver will have DiSEqC functions, so plenty to choose from...

 

[Huevos]

How big is the 28E dish? Anything bigger than a 1.2m offset and you can put 26E on the same dish. A Sky receiver can't control a DiSEqC switch so if you want to watch both satellites from one receiver you will need a generic receiver. If you want a proper EPG you can use a Freesat receiver (and watch 26E in non-Freesat mode) or a Linux one.

 

[Analoguesat]

You certainly used to be able to use a Sky box - just about. You hadto use something like a manual A/B switch.

However, Sky boxes are notoriously flaky about being used away from 28E.......

And of course you are limited to SR's of 22000 / 27500

 

[Huevos]

You had to use something like a manual A/B switch.

I didn't think about a manual switch. It would work fine, but means bringing a second co-ax cable into the living area.

you are limited to SR's of 22000 / 27500

Most of the interesting transponders (MBC, Fox, etc) are 27500 SR.

 

[Analoguesat]

To be honest unless its just for an occasional look you are better off buying another receiver simply because you have to go through the Other Channels rigmarole every time you want to change channel.

 

[Dan Dan]

sorry maybe its me.i need to update poor brits at a low price they have lost bbc news,itv,c5 .they will have from a 60cm to 1m dish.i have used non-sky boxes on 28 before and they dont work,they are always changeing pid etc,so to watch 28e you need a sky box...however,26e is quite stable and makes it fine for the other channels button. i need to do this for a MAX of €99 (inc a 60cm dish) and my profit..

 

[Analoguesat]

Someone on here (cant remember who) was trying to persuade me about a week ago most of the Brits there werent poor and would do/pay anything to get their uk telly.......

Try it & see if it works on your own rx simply because you aint going to get much of any other solution for €99!.

 

[Dan Dan]

i have customers with two cars,swimming pools,large gold handshakes...thats the bankers.but most brits are hard up...so im looking to get them more channels...for a low cost...do thay still do a switch that works on V/H....looks like MBC,ktv,bbc world,euronews,al jaz english,fox movies all are on 26-H,and so maybe a V/H switch will work.movies for men,true movies 1 and 2 ,true entertainment,cbs drama,cbs reality ,cnn,sky new are all V-28

 

[Huevos]

i need to do this for a MAX of €99 (inc a 60cm dish)

You're joking, right? After paying 250€ per month just for Social Security plus IRPF and IVA there is no way you're going to get me to fit a system for 99€, let alone supply the parts.

Someone on here (cant remember who) was trying to persuade me about a week ago most of the Brits there werent poor and would do/pay anything to get their uk telly.......

Let me refresh your memory. By the way, I would say, in this neck of the woods, it is pretty much true. Tomorrow I've got a job to fit a 1.8m Famaval dish for a neighbour. He's currently got a 1.5m Gibi but that drops BBC1 and 2, and ITV2/3/4 about 9:30pm. All the other channels are available one way or another. I told him that from some time in 2012 the 1.8m dish won't be necessary, at least for the time being, maybe from as early as January, but he said he must have it because his kids are visiting at chrismas and they'd expect it.

 

[Dan Dan]

You're joking, right? After paying 250€ per month just for Social Security plus IRPF and IVA there is no way you're going to get me to fit a system for 99€, let alone supply the parts.

Let me refresh your memory. By the way, I would say, in this neck of the woods, it is pretty much true. Tomorrow I've got a job to fit a 1.8m Famaval dish for a neighbour. He's currently got a 1.5m Gibi but that drops BBC1 and 2, and ITV2/3/4 about 9:30pm. All the other channels are available one way or another. I told him that from some time in 2012 the 1.8m dish won't be necessary, at least for the time being, maybe from as early as January, but he said he must have it because his kids are visiting at chrismas and they'd expect it.

no im only fitting a 60cm dish,lnb (for arabsat) ,and a external V/H switch...im not putting in any cable or box or moving dish at 28e...cost €40...so profit €60...
thats one reason (among others) i need to use the sky box...

 

[Huevos]

no im only fitting a 60cm dish,lnb (for arabsat) ,and a external V/H switch...im not putting in any cable or box or moving dish at 28e...cost €40...so profit €60...

How is your profit 60€?

Here's how I see it. Parts 40€, IVA 15.25€, Fuel 5€, IRPF 12.05€, SS 10€ = 82.30€

Which leaves you 16.70€ profit. And that doesn't even factor in advertising, sourcing stock, time, phone calls, receipt books, accountant's fees, wear and tear on your car, tools, meter, etc.

 

[2cvbloke]

no im only fitting a 60cm dish,lnb (for arabsat) ,and a external V/H switch...im not putting in any cable or box or moving dish at 28e...cost €40...so profit €60...
thats one reason (among others) i need to use the sky box...

You do realise that all current satellite boxes do the V/H and Lo-Hi switching by themselves, don't you?

Unless you mean an A/B switch, but I'd still advocate a real satellite receiver with a DiSEqC switch, to automate things...

And I agree that the figures don't add up, you're going to be running at a major loss if you go about doing things the way you describe...

And if the brits out there are hard-up, then how can they afford to have luxuries like sky?

 

[Dan Dan]

How is your profit 60€?

Here's how I see it. Parts 40€, IVA 15.25€, Fuel 5€, IRPF 12.05€, SS 10€ = 82.30€

Which leaves you 16.70€ profit. And that doesn't even factor in advertising, sourcing stock, time, phone calls, receipt books, accountant's fees, wear and tear on your car, tools, meter, etc.

ok €40 is including IGIC at 5pc (dish is €28,lnb is €6,pole is €4 ) as we dont have IVA (vat).fuel is 84c a litre ,normal for a days work i put in €10.i plan my route so to get max number of jobs in i can go as far as i can go,that is totally around the island for €20.....tools from china shop,meter is 10 years old,car cost me €300 and i had it over a year 1993 clio road tax is €60 a year.my advert is €28 for 2 weeks...im the ryanair of dish installs lol...my costs are kept very low....i came here and got a old broken house which i have been doing and spend anextra money on... water rates €8 , rubbish €60 a year...i dont got to pubs,out for posh meals,

 

[Dan Dan]

You do realise that all current satellite boxes do the V/H and Lo-Hi switching by themselves, don't you?

Unless you mean an A/B switch, but I'd still advocate a real satellite receiver with a DiSEqC switch, to automate things...

And I agree that the figures don't add up, you're going to be running at a major loss if you go about doing things the way you describe...

And if the brits out there are hard-up, then how can they afford to have luxuries like sky?

the brits dont have SKY they have a sky box - no payments...

and you just need a V/H switch at the dish end simples ...
MBC 2,4,action,max ,ktv,bbc world,euronews,al jaz english,fox movies all are on 26-H arabsat (new 60cm dish and lnb)
movie for men,true movies 1 and 2 ,true entertainment,cbs drama,cbs reality ,cnn,Sky new are all V-28 astra (existing dish)
onve you have stored the channels,then the progs are selected on V or H astra/arabsat...

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can also add a THIRD dish by using a 22khz switch...


can also add a

 

[2cvbloke]

The more I look at that, the more I think of something a famous starship engineer once said;

The more you over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drains.

In my mind, this is what you need connected in the line from the dish:

2 (or more) dishes - DiSEqC Switch - Proper satellite box (even a cheap Lidl affair) - Sky box

Easy as that, there's no need for a H/V switch, tone inserter, or anything else, all you need to add is a proper satellite receiver, regardless if it "works" or not (they do work, people just expect them to work like sky boxes, which they don't), and a DiSEqC switch, that's it...

A simple illustration of a simple setup as I describe (with some sarcasm, cos poor, hard-up brits couldn't possibly afford LCD or Plasma TVs!!):

 

[Dan Dan]

The more I look at that, the more I think of something a famous starship engineer once said;

The more you over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drains.

In my mind, this is what you need connected in the line from the dish:

2 (or more) dishes - DiSEqC Switch - Proper satellite box (even a cheap Lidl affair) - Sky box

Easy as that, there's no need for a H/V switch, tone inserter, or anything else, all you need to add is a proper satellite receiver, regardless if it "works" or not (they do work, people just expect them to work like sky boxes, which they don't), and a DiSEqC switch, that's it...

A simple illustration of a simple setup as I describe (with some sarcasm, cos poor, hard-up brits couldn't possibly afford LCD or Plasma TVs!!):

thanls for trying to help,but you seem to be looking at this from ´whats best´ rather then
´what makes me most profit´ with a simple V/H switch,and a 60cm dish there is no change inside the house,and i can do the job in an hour....thanks for your ideas..

 

[2cvbloke]

If it were me, I'd be more interested in customer satisfaction guaranteeing me more work in the future than looking at the profits and seeing how little I can spend on a job, doesn't seem ethical to make so much money from doing so little...

 

[rolfw]

If it were me, I'd be more interested in customer satisfaction guaranteeing me more work in the future than looking at the profits and seeing how little I can spend on a job, doesn't seem ethical to make so much money from doing so little...

Think you're missing the point of the exercise 2cv, it's to try and find an island wide solution which can be achieved for €99 and still maintain a profit margin, not much point in doing loads of €99 installations if you don't make more than a few Euros profit. No doubt the best solution would be a second receiver, but if customers want budget jobs, then you have to look at the most cost effective way of doing it.