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Spiff

Spiff

Regular Member
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353
Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
My Satellite Setup
Technomate TM-5402HD C1+ Super+ Receiver
Primesat VBox
2 x Actuators
Precision 1.3m Prime Focus Dish & mount.
Inverto Black Pro C120

ARIVA 4K Combo DVB-S2 DVB-T/T2
Primesat VBox
2 Actuators
Triax 1.4m Dish
Titanium C1W-PLL C Band

Six Computers : )
My Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
Good evening from Mullion Cove.

I have to raze the motor up for sats to the East and Down for west.

Which way should I turn the motor assembly on the pole : )

To the East ?

Increasing the height of the pole to give clearance between the KU & C band dishes, has upset the alignment.

God Bless Spiff
 
Terryl

Terryl

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OpenBox X5 on a 1 meter motorized dish.
And now a 10 foot "C" band dish.

Custom built PC
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Deep in the Boonies in the central Sierra Nevada mountains of California.
You will need to recalibrate everything, start with the motor on it's ""Zero" position, then find due South from your location and aime the motor and dish in that direction, then you must go to your due South satellite and reset, you may need to recalibrate a tiny bit but you should be set.
 
Channel Hopper

Channel Hopper

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UK South
If you have a bog standard polar mount with additional elevation motor then the north/south needs to be moved in the direction of the drop.

Edit, still half asleep, have you changed the mounting pole and if so is it still vertical ?
 
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Trust1

Trust1

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1.8 m CM at SMR 1224 + Elev. with 7 lnb changer Ku (lin - circ) - Ka (lin - circ) C (lin - circ)
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Nijmegen Netherlands
If you have to put the DISH up at east side of the arc to get more signal and down at the west side , the mount / motor must be turned to the east on the pole
 
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moonbase

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UK
Good evening from Mullion Cove.
I have to raze the motor up for sats to the East and Down for west.
Which way should I turn the motor assembly on the pole : )
To the East ?
Increasing the height of the pole to give clearance between the KU & C band dishes, has upset the alignment.
God Bless Spiff

Spiff,

At your location of Mullion Cove your due South satellite is 5.0W. If you use your Az/El motor to get the polar mount to its dead centre position you can then manually rotate the entire assembly on the pole on the Az/El exis to peak the signals coming from 5.0W. Additionaly, you should also peak the elevation angle (not the declination offset angle) to maximise the signal from 5W.

If your declination offset angle was previously correctly set for your location (6.62 degrees) the above process should have realigned your arc. If you are using an actuator for the declination offset adjustment you will need to set it to 6.62 degrees at your polar mount dead centre.

As an alternative to using 5W as your due South satellite you could use "solar noon". If by any chance you have some sunshine today at 12:28 the sun will cast a shadow from the vertical feed support arm of the dish directly across the dish centre. By adjusting the entire assembly to get the vertical feed support am shadow centred on the dish you will be at dead due South for your location. Knowing UK weather, I think the signals from 5W are more reliable for adjustment.
 
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Terryl

Terryl

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My Satellite Setup
OpenBox X5 on a 1 meter motorized dish.
And now a 10 foot "C" band dish.

Custom built PC
My Location
Deep in the Boonies in the central Sierra Nevada mountains of California.
No...If you center the dish and motor to the due south satellite at 5W the whole thing will be out of wack.

You must find due geographical South from your location first, then rotate the motor with the receiver to find the due South satellite, this satellite is a starting point for finding the other birds.

dishpointer.com can help you with finding due South at your location, and for finding the due South satellite

Finding due South is a very imprtant step in aligning or re-aligning a motorized setup, as all the satellites use geographical co-ordinates to position them selves in the arc of the Clark belt in space, they are all aligned stating at the prime meridian (East and West of) and all are on the Equator.

To use dishpointer first find your location using google Earth (or what ever mapping software you have) and find your longitude and latitude, copy and paste this in the address section, or you can enter your address in the address section of the program, then use the ""True South/True North"" selection, this will give you a line on a map showing the correct direction you need to first align the motor and dish.

I use this method when first installing or re-installing a motorized system, it should only take 10 to 15 min to setup and recalibrate the system, here is an example of the dishpointer web site using generic co-ordinates for your location.
Dishpointer.jpg

You can zoom into your exact location and using the map with the line will help you find due South, it can also help you find the other satellites if needed.
 
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moonbase

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The lines drawn by dishpointer for Mullion Cove re "True South" and the satellite at 5.0W are to all intents and purposes identical.

MC - DP - 5W.jpgMC - DP - TS.jpg
 
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sonnetpete

sonnetpete

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Laminas 1.2M fibre dish with an IBU, on a Clarke Tech USALS motor, covering 57E - 24.5W to an Octagon SX88. Displayed on a 20" Dyon LED TV.

Seperate 80 cm dish on 28E with a Humax Freesat for SWMBO.
Free Sat V8 meter. Sony Bravia 46" LCD, Sony BluRay and Home Cinema.
My Location
Normandy, France
Increasing the height of the pole to give clearance between the KU & C band dishes, has upset the alignment.
Spiff : If you've had to increase the mount height, have you checked if the extra pole length is causing a left to right or front to back lack of plumb? I use a digital level to try and achieve alignment to within 0.1 of a degree.
 
Spiff

Spiff

Regular Member
Messages
353
Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
My Satellite Setup
Technomate TM-5402HD C1+ Super+ Receiver
Primesat VBox
2 x Actuators
Precision 1.3m Prime Focus Dish & mount.
Inverto Black Pro C120

ARIVA 4K Combo DVB-S2 DVB-T/T2
Primesat VBox
2 Actuators
Triax 1.4m Dish
Titanium C1W-PLL C Band

Six Computers : )
My Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
Good evening after a very sunny day in Mullion Cove.

Thank you all for the advice, moving the pole up meant it was no longer pointing in the same direction, jacking it rotated the pole.

We could have just rotated the motor bracket till a satellite from the poles original position came in, but it had never tracked properly at far East or West.

Buy the time we were ready to start it was 12 midday, so I decided to go for the 12.28 sun it being a lovely sunny day.

As the shadow approached I could see it was going to be out, so loosened the bolts ready.

We set it when the shadow of the centre LNB support crossed the centre of the dish, as instructed.

I then found 5 West easily, I have a scale on the motor mount with a webcam providing the image to a laptop near the TV.

I peaked it up East and West as well as with a jack that moves the motor mount up and down.

Tested it at far East and West and it is perfect.

I then proceeded to peak all the satellites from East to West, I got as far as about 7 East when it refused to peak to the East, the Primesat Box came up with ER2.

Driving to a satellite further West was fine but it refused to go back East.

I rebooted the receiver, unplugged the Primesat Box, all to no avail.

I then fed the jack direct from a power supply, it moved fine in both directions.

The reed switch also showed it was switching on and off in both directions.

Next would have been a reset using the Primesat Box remote, before I tried that I decided to check the cables, though how that could affect one direction is unlikely.

The top right spring device for connecting one of the motor feeds flew apart, it had broken being only thin plastic.

The box came apart easily, so I used a block connecter as per the image.

After reconnecting it all up it works fine ?

A poor connection unless it was acting like a diode, would have effected both East & West movement ?

Anyway it is all now working, that is so far : )

If you look carefully at the first image you can just see Alanna using the jack to lift the pole.

Thank you all again God Bless Spiff
 

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moonbase

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Spiff,

Well done, the "solar noon" is as reliable as it gets, you have taken advantage of a cosmic event today.
They look a very nice pair of dishes at the end of your balcony.
 
Spiff

Spiff

Regular Member
Messages
353
Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
My Satellite Setup
Technomate TM-5402HD C1+ Super+ Receiver
Primesat VBox
2 x Actuators
Precision 1.3m Prime Focus Dish & mount.
Inverto Black Pro C120

ARIVA 4K Combo DVB-S2 DVB-T/T2
Primesat VBox
2 Actuators
Triax 1.4m Dish
Titanium C1W-PLL C Band

Six Computers : )
My Location
Mullion Cove Cornwall
Good morning another sunny day : )

An update.

I have now replaced all the connecters on the Primesat box just in case.

The first one I replaced was definitely faulty and not my ham fistedness.

I tried to break the others off by pushing them hard the wrong way, but they would not break.

I had to twist the plastic part that holds the cable with long nose pliers to get it out.

From this it looks as if the problem was the connecter, and that it was already broken.

Perhaps the poor connection stopped the jack driving in one direction only if it required more current one way ?

I have also made a scale for the motor pole so that it can be reset should it move.

Also a picture of the scale that shows via a webcam to reset the sat positions, it is laminated and Araldited on : )

God Bless Spiff
 

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John

John

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Elite 2.2 PF - CM1.8 - CM1.2 - Gibertini 1.25.
Ku - Ka -C & Ext C.
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My Location
North Nottinghamshire.
Good morning another sunny day : )

An update.

I have now replaced all the connecters on the Primesat box just in case.

The first one I replaced was definitely faulty and not my ham fistedness.

I tried to break the others off by pushing them hard the wrong way, but they would not break.

I had to twist the plastic part that holds the cable with long nose pliers to get it out.

From this it looks as if the problem was the connecter, and that it was already broken.

Perhaps the poor connection stopped the jack driving in one direction only if it required more current one way ?

I have also made a scale for the motor pole so that it can be reset should it move.

Also a picture of the scale that shows via a webcam to reset the sat positions, it is laminated and Araldited on : )

God Bless Spiff



.. Good repair & Remote 'eyes' Spiff , so very useful :Y
 
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