uk bbc channels normally on 28.2 on intelsat 907 27.5w ?

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I don't know how long Siminn TV/Radio streams will survive on this satellite. The signal on this one remains the strongest and at the same constant level in my area. It will probably have the same fate as the BBC package, i.e., moved to the North Sea spot.
A last visit to 27.5W, with few active transponders, seems to announce a "mourning" at this position.
 

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newspaperman said:
PLS maybe?
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Hmm our guys must know PLS as its fairly common - it seems to be be something a bit unusual

Im wondering if this is a test of something new that will eventually replace the easily decoded 27.5W transmission when the I901 satellite is decommissioned - which may be sooner rather than later with its problems
 
Interesting that the BBC removed all SD services to save a few quids, but is happy to spend taxpayers Money on these tests and possibly replacing the professional equipment needed to receive a different modulation
 
no BBC, BSkyB and FreeSat (the BBC will provide both SD and HD until 2026 for broadcasting companies)
 
dvdfilm said:
Interesting that the BBC removed all SD services to save a few quids, but is happy to spend taxpayers Money on these tests and possibly replacing the professional equipment needed to receive a different modulation
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I cant imagine its the BBC directly. Arqivia are the ones who manage freeview, so if they know their lease on 27.5w is ending soon they are obviously just being prudent and if they change backup satellites, to the BBC potentially nothing changes cost wise.
 
dvdfilm said:
The Kabelio managers are probably having a party after this news
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this noise about BBC-SATBACK will attract many questions about the legality of having the BBC UK version on their pay-tv platform
 
pipino said:
this noise about BBC-SATBACK will attract many questions about the legality of having the BBC UK version on their pay-tv platform
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It is fully allowed to carry the UK PSBs under Swiss law. It protects those rights by restricting usage to people with Swiss addresses.
There is nothing unlawful about Kabelio
 
iandoh said:
It is fully allowed to carry the UK PSBs under Swiss law. It protects those rights by restricting usage to people with Swiss addresses.
There is nothing unlawful about Kabelio
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would be good if you elaborate and show us this official "SWISS LAW" you are talking about, none of the other European platforms has the BBC UK Version, check the Polish, Dutch...etc they all have BBC Prime and some other international versions but never the UK Version, Kabelio reminds me of a Czech & Slovak Version via Hispasat once! just wonder why they suddenly stopped transmitting :rolleyes:
 
To the best of my knowledge, Swiss Federal law allows a rebroadcaster (either licenced or private network) to relay a television station based outside of Switzerland on their own network provided (a) they offer to pay the broadcaster the copyright fees that may be liable, and (b) reception is achieved by using a "reasonable" sized antenna, though what is defined as reasonable is anyone's guess. Presumably, Kabelio are using a satellite dish (probably located in the west or north west of Switzerland where reception should be at its easiest) to receive UK TV stations from 28E and then "relay" them as part of their single package of channels on 13E - (AFAIK ORF is "relayed" via reception of DTT transmissions from South Tyrol in northern Italy in an otherwise similar fashion). It's not just Kabelio that do this, pretty much every cable/IPTV operator in the country is relaying the main UK TV channels for their customers.

Kabelio market themselves as providing a basic cable choice to the few Swiss people not within reach of a cable network and to the best of my knowledge are run by the same people that run the Satelio satellite platform that rebroadcasts German channels to German speakers in the southern third of Africa (currently on Astra 4A). The whole Kabelio operation seems above board at least under Swiss law - they only allow subscribers that have a Swiss residential address to subscribe which presumably keeps potential copyright conflicts to a minimum. Also since they're neither in the EU or EEA, EU copyright directives don't apply in Switzerland (unless by bilateral agreement).
 
You explained it perfectly, Kabelio doesn't have a legal problem, their issue could be a commercial failure but if Satback is taken off Intelsat, the BBC would give them a big help in getting new potential customers
 
Fisty McB said:
Presumably, Kabelio are using a satellite dish (probably located in the west or north west of Switzerland where reception should be at its easiest)
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As easy as that ... probably co-location here.
 
Was there any loss in signal strength? When it appeared, it picked up a signal, although weak I haven't been able to get a signal for at least a month.
Telstar 12 Vantage - 15° West:
 
It depends on your reception location (maybe you are interference with the signal from 11014V), or you are already outside the main coverage area.
 
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