what satelite stb,in your opinion has the most sensitive tuner,for weak signals?

[pipino]

But HUMAX Foxsat is designed for UK, not for fringe areas, and has a sensibility of -65dBm. If you trust Humax, then recommend me its sister, the iCORD with specifications of -75dBm!!!

Before writing here i read a lot about 2D in Valencia, but Alicante is a different scenary (i hope,a ccordint to the footprints that Valencia is more likely Sagunto (1,5m) than Javea/Denia/benidorm/Alicante (2,4m) Where is Huevos located? (not the human body part... hehe)

you seem relying on paper and theorical specs more then the actual pratical tests ,i wish you good luck to find the magical receiver ,huevos is towards alicante area(interior)..best regards

 

[woborny]

On a 1.35 Tecatel in El Saler, I have has 2d verticals until around 8 or 9pm, and 2d Horizontals to around 4 or 5pm, using a Sharp lnb and Silver Grundig (cant rememeber the model number)

One member on here posted about a 2.4m dish just south of Valencia receiving all 2Dvs and 2Dhs 24/7
Yet, a few kms inland (directly west) this changes, and even on a 2.4m 2ds horizontals can go as early as 7 or 8pm...
In Sagunto, I have had an 1.8m dish has kept both in for 24/7...using a Pace 2600, and invacom twin.
In Betera, I have had an 1.8m dish that looses the 2D horizontals for about 2 hours only at around 10/11pm..using a Pace 2600, and invacom twin.

And all this suggests not to rely on tech specs and footprints...

(and when I get a chance I hope to get a Gib 1.5 to see how it performs where I am (Gandia) in comparision to the 1.8ms....given pipinos past posts it should be very much the same)

 

[swoosh]

Thanx woborny... As it seems Pace 2600 does it arround my area and arround my dish size!!
Thats really good info!
* I am 17 km NORTH from El Saler. There a 135 Tecatel worked decently good. I can improve the 135 to the gregorian equivalent 150, and get an Inverto LNB and a good sensible tuner and less cable. Lets expect BBC2 until later 4 sure!!
* i am 7 km south from Betera, 18 south sagunto. both locations with a 180 had 24/22h OK! Breakup earlier, sure

Pace DS810 was good at the tests too (even its theoretical input range was only -65dBm) I have spent 3 weeks trying to get one PACEDS810 but there is no way. Its old and very expensive (+200 €)
pipino, of course I dont rely only on theory... thats why I am here... but this forum is about fringe, risky, in the margin things!! hehehe. I wil only buy one tuner not 3! The asnwer to all cannot always be "buy a bigger dish" or "do this without comparing" There would be no discussion!!

So PaceDS810 (2600) and Humax Freesat HD work well (even with specifications of -65dBm) Practical beats theory here ( I see your smile, pipino)
Theory says Humax iCord and HDCI family have better tuners than the Foxsat Freesat model. (-75dBm)... what would you think?
Again Clarke-tech 5100 combo + and Technomate 6900 combo "super" (asume they are clones) work very well with lost of people saying they have back several 2D channels they've already lost before. and again practice beats theory (spec say -65dBm)
And there is this german magacine doing tests saying that Vantage are -87dBm BUT starint with -35 instead of -25dBm

I felt in love with the PACEDS810 but its not in stock anymore. Humax improved their tuner but some opinions against here... at least still available.
Clarke tech and Technomate beeing the same with goot spec and good results. (and available)
Any other idea?

 

[grimzz]

I had the Pace DS810XE, didnt think much of the tuner, had it for a few months and ebayed it. this was my first HD receiver, replaced it with a fortecstar Innovation(circa 69db). it knocks the socks off the pace for weak signals. I have an Echostar DVR7000 and its better than this also.

 

[swoosh]

So... I got my 135 tecatel and the Black Ultra inverto 0,2dB noise and High Gain LNB and 10m premium cable. It's a beginning. Footprints said 1,50-180 in Valencia. I say, it depends on the equipment. I am waiting for my Vantage 8000S receiver wich has the best tuner sensibility I found (-85dBm) I'am also waiting for my gregorian kit to convert my 135 into a 135 gregorian (which will increase the gain near 1d. Things can only get better....

But I couldnt wait, and i made my first tests: I connected a LIDL SD old receiver, wich is a comag really, whose sensbility is just "poor".
Real report #1 - Valencia - Astra 2D - 135 Tecatel +Iverto Black Ultra:
15:30 PM - I got 78/79 signal strenght and 54-60 signal Quality on Astra 2D trasnponders. Image pixelated.
BBC1 Yorks: 10788V 79/57
ITV1 Anglia: 10758V 79/58
ITV1 Border: 10831H 79/54
Five 10773H: 78/55
CH4 10729V: 78/55
More4 10714H: 78/60

I know at 17-19 pm image will possibly dissapear.
But with this real data and my new HD receiver (wich receives -85dBm's instead of SilverCrest old SD one, -65dBm) and the greorian kit that will convert my 135 to a 150 cm dish gain... what do you think i will get? One thing is for sure: things will only get better.

 

[kamaleon]

I hope it will work out for you, and I will be curious to see how well the gregorian kit works, as all the feedback I've seen from it isn't so good. Anyway, I don't think it will be the equivalent of a 150cm dish, but cross your fingers!

 

[swoosh]

Report #2: Valencia, 135 tecatel, LNB Black Ultra Inverto (High Gain 0,2dB noise) aaaaand receiver Vantage 8000S:

Verticals till 22PM
Horizontals till 20PM

They are all up at 07:00 at breakfast time.

In this receiver image doesnt pixelate, never: Just stops for a milisecond and resumes...but i have never seen a pixel hehe, so i cant say image "pixelates" at 20:00 or 22:00. Start having problems, anyway. I think its a great receiver. And concerning the gain, and threshold signal level...
Seems that the Vantage -85 dBm has improved in 2/3 hours reception if compared with Lidl /Comag.

Next (and last report ) Adding the gregorian kit. I would like to find the thread for the spain fade outs... I think its a question of interference, because my Verticals start having problems while showing 85% signal power and 75 % signal quality. (it doesnt seem to be a fadeout as far as I have signal and quality enough, but a great signal confussion...) I hope ( i really hope) the gregorian kit discriminates this confussing interferencies and clears the reception on only 2D signals. (the gain will be just a litle bit greater, +0,7dB but the directivity and other radiation diagram features will be improved).

 

[swoosh]

I have all channels back at 03:00 AM, actually.

 

[Tony54]

Report #2: Valencia, 135 tecatel, LNB Black Ultra Inverto (High Gain 0,2dB noise) aaaaand receiver Vantage 8000S:

Verticals till 22PM
Horizontals till 20PM

They are all up at 07:00 at breakfast time.

In this receiver image doesnt pixelate, never: Just stops for a milisecond and resumes...but i have never seen a pixel hehe, so i cant say image "pixelates" at 20:00 or 22:00. Start having problems, anyway. I think its a great receiver. And concerning the gain, and threshold signal level...
Seems that the Vantage -85 dBm has improved in 2/3 hours reception if compared with Lidl /Comag.

Next (and last report ) Adding the gregorian kit. I would like to find the thread for the spain fade outs... I think its a question of interference, because my Verticals start having problems while showing 85% signal power and 75 % signal quality. (it doesnt seem to be a fadeout as far as I have signal and quality enough, but a great signal confussion...) I hope ( i really hope) the gregorian kit discriminates this confussing interferencies and clears the reception on only 2D signals. (the gain will be just a litle bit greater, +0,7dB but the directivity and other radiation diagram features will be improved).

hi, I've just picked up on this spread as I was trying to find out the best 1.35 and it appears to be the tecatel K135fnz1. I have been interested in your results because I'm trying to get astra ITC/BBC here near torrevieja with the same kit as you, the black ultra twin lnb, 135 dish and i will use my darkbox initially to drive it.
I would like to know how your gregorian kit works and hope it gives you a bit more usable gain without more noise.
With regards to high sensitive receivers, I would say that in the scheme of things they are not as important as your high sensitive/low noise lnb's because in effect your lnb is the front end of your receiver and the signal hitting the receiver from your lnb should already be amplified above the noise threshold. For example a system with a mediocre receiver and good lnb will work better than a mediocre lnb and good receiver. I think from what i've read about the black ultra that it is a cut above the other lnb's. In practice some receivers do work better than others so possible its more to do with impedance matching, bla bla!
Anyway I hope you can update when you try a gregorian and have more data regards your set up. I will post once I get more kit set up.
ps. I only have a small space for a dish and half of that has a solar hot water system hence the reason for trying to squeeze the best out of a small dish .

 

[tobe_]

Hello, i am spanish from the canary islands. Did your gregorian kit finally arrived? what gain in db do you get with it it? Thanks for the answer

 

[tanka]

the only solution is bigger dish somettimes .I have one 8/1/2F dish and all said move to 10F dish I dont .One day i find one supplyer in the usa over the internet and I explaine I buy over 15 receivers over the years and no one giveme good signall on the pas9 at 58west and 55.5 west c band and did sendme one small receiver Vantage 1100hd and signal on the 58 and 55.5 west from 48 go to 84 89 and no problems from 139 west to 40.5west and 15west and 30 west good receiver for S2 signalls blindscan .Compare to azbox premium plus the vantage are better only dont have 1080p and no 4.2.2 feeds .But for signal and sensative scaner are better I have pansat 9200 to and no compare

 

[zorbua]

take this from me m8 if you want to get maximum 1.50 here is the best combination

Antenna =Gibertini OP 1.50(forget about Tecatels 1.35 gregorian )
LNB= Inverto single Black Ultra
Decoder=Humax FOXSAT HD from "FREESAT" just Brilliant Tuner

,,if you read previous posts made by Huevos and my self about the matter you will quicky get a good overview about the reception of Astra 2D around (Alicante and Valencia region)...cheers

In my humble opionen the ''Best'' 0.1db single LNB can really pull those weak channels, right across the whole Spectrum
I have tried it on different sizes as regard Dishes and it always comes on top.

 

[BombedOne]

Generally, dish size has much more impact on signal reception, than magic numbers painted on LNB's

 

[swoosh]

Well, i'm still waiting for my dealer to change the damaged gregorian kit they provided me 2 MONTHS AGO!! (the surface is damaged and loss of screws and... between other bad conditions...) They say its the demo/exposition kit on the Tecatel factory... i dindt mind if it wasnt new but not if the dish surface is hitted!!. I am so bored waiting for them to change it that I have finally tested it on my system:

REPORT #3a: VALENCIA CITY+ TECATEL 1,35+ DAMAGED GREGORIAN KIT + INVERTO BLACK + VANTAGE S8000
The secondary dish is not on its right position, its is either bad calculated or the sticks that hold it are deformed. The optimun position is a little bit higher.
There are 3 wounds / very small hits on the surface that will surelly decrease the total gain.

HORIZONTALS (BBC 2...) FADE OUT 21:00PM -03:00AM
VERTICALS (CHANNEL 4+1 MORE 4... BBC HD...)FADE OUT 22:00PM - 01:20AM

even its a non reliable result, and the secondary dish is not in the position it should be (if i push up the main arm the vertical channels appear on the screen!!)
i just posted this because i know there are many people waiting for my results, and i am quite optimistic, that with a perfect surface gregorian kit and managing to put it on the right position, i could have verticals 24 h and horizontals fading out from 22:30 to 01:30 or so.
...quite a good result for Valencia and a 135cm tecatel if you compare with the footprints 1,50-1,80. (and with theese sices, there is also a fadeout!!)

 

[kemal1923]

When people worry about tuners and LNBs it is because their dish is too small.



The only real solution is a bigger dish.

the best answer in my opinion!in addition;the good quality LNB.

 

[swoosh]

best answer for a thread concerning tuners? i think people just dont have an idea of what a 2,4 m dish is like!!!... its bigger than most people's dining room! This thread is for other improvable features like tuners.
I wish i have permission from my neighbours and garden to have a 2m dish, but i dont. So, so, so many people just cant install that dish. I am getting better results with my 1,35 than most people with a huge problematic 1,80. I think its worth talking about this secondary ways of increasing the signal... I really enjoy it!
Come on boys, we all know increasing dish size is the obviuos, fastest, easiest way to get 2D!! But... the more diffiicult, the funniest, isn´t it? Otherwise forums like this would be useless!!

 

[timo_w2s]

best answer for a thread concerning tuners? i think people just dont have an idea of what a 2,4 m dish is like!!!... its bigger than most people's dining room! This thread is for other improvable features like tuners.
I wish i have permission from my neighbours and garden to have a 2m dish, but i dont. So, so, so many people just cant install that dish. I am getting better results with my 1,35 than most people with a huge problematic 1,80. I think its worth talking about this secondary ways of increasing the signal... I really enjoy it!
Come on boys, we all know increasing dish size is the obviuos, fastest, easiest way to get 2D!! But... the more diffiicult, the funniest, isn´t it? Otherwise forums like this would be useless!!

Exactly. I've been reading this thread with interest. It would be nice if we could all have huge 3-4m dishes so we can get everything we want but in reality a lot of fringe reception is about getting the most out of the biggest dish you can get away with and sometimes that dish isn't as big as we'd ideally like!

 

[kemal1923]

ATOMSAN Next & NextStar

clik on the picture n see 55 cm dish n 8 satellites with 8 lnbs with a special lnb adapter.no need to argue abt.sat recever tuner sensitivity.ıf u hv thor-intelsat u don t need to watch others!

 

[Tony54]

Cheers for the update. My system with the 1.3 tecatel and black ultra are working well but lose itv channel isle at about 11pm at night. I'm not a great watcher of tv at night so it's no great problem.
I wish there had been a true 1.4 offset dish for a similiar price as the tecatel and think such a beast would sell well on the costas. A 1.4 would give the itvs andchannel 4 til well after midnight. There is a 1.5 offset for 250 euros ish but dont know how well it performs but it's specs say it has 45db's at 12.5ghz so should give a significant improvement over the 1.35 tecatel.
_http://www.tdtprofesional.com/catalogo-satelite/antenas-parabolicas/antena-parabolica-offset-150cm
Tony, Quesada, 10kms north of Torrevieja.