Which cam do I have?

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Hi,
I have read through most of the posts on this topic but could not seem to locate an answer. I have a nokia 9200s with an irdeto cam scm5198 hw2.3b sw1.13f. On the reverse side it has a blue/white label saying irdeto access etc. Is this cam patchable to all cam to enable me to use hbemu or wallbanger or sandis to view seca, irdeto and viacess?

If at all patchable can you please direct me to a link to download the software and bin file to patch it via notebook pcmcia. I had a peek in the cam itself and there are no removable ic's inside. All ic's are soldered on the little pcb.

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But I have posted on this loads of times already. Did you use the search function?
The CAMs which you can patch yourself are the ones which do NOT have a legalese warning on the front blue/white label.
Use the search function and you'll locate the posts, with additional details including how to program them, links etc.

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Sorry, I misread your post. You have a 9200, so you are talking about the old "thick" CAMs with no card slot. They can be flashed too.
I've now responded to your question by mail.

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Cheers for the info.
As for the scsi thing I think I will try to use a laptop and ird106.exe if it is any good for me. About the bin or sbr file I downloaded all113f1.bin. I think it is the right one for my cam as it was referred to as "the blue cam". What I really have to get the hang of is the lingo such as blue cam, euro cam etc. My cam does not have any legal notices under the Irdeto Access logo. And yes my cam is a pcmcia of the type III (10.5mm thick)

Thanks for your patience and time. Till the next time. In the meantime I will keep on looking.
 

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I don't think you can use a laptop and ird106 at all to flash those original thick Irdeto CAMs that were specifically for insertion in Nokia boxes and which have no card slot. IRD106 is for flashing CI modules. You MUST use the SCSI/sbr/overflow technique I described.

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Hi Again ToOld,
I have downloaded vgrabber7.7. So if I connect the 9200 through the scsi card win98 will see it as a scsi drive. I also downloaded the file ci_46se_sbr.zip. Is this the right file? I am a bit worried as this says ci_46.... If this is not the right file can you please give me the name or the link where I can find it? Also I was trying to download from the polish site that is mentioned in the forum but most of the times the downloads start and stop. Is this because of traffic at the site?
Who can I contact (site or e-mail) who can help me out if something goes wrong with the flashing of the cam (I do not want to bother you a lot as you seem to be responding to almost every query). That's what happens if you are good I suppose!!!:-).

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Don't use any file labelled "ci" if you want a file for a non-CI CAM.

Have a look at the main sat-digital-tv page and follow the links. You'll find non-ci firmware there too.
http://sat-digital-tv.provider.pl/starte.htm

The site tends to be very slow at times. If your downloads are faiing, try later.

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Hello again,
On the sat-digital-tv.provider.pl website under cam stuff I have found this file ca_all_21_22.zip. It contains two files called AllSas2.1.bin and AllSas2.2.bin. Another files is All113f1.zip which has a text file stating it is the "ALLCAM-FILE for eprom 27C512,
only for new irdeto-cam-module with hardware 2.3B (blue label, software 1.13f). However since you have pointed out to me before I need a *.sbr file.

Is there a way to change a bin file to an sbr file? By the way what does sbr stand for, have you any idea? I know bin is for binary.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 29-08-01 AT 06:43 PM (GMT)]oh dear, my humble apologies....
Read on...

I have been looking into this a little more...

The sbr/vgrabber/scsi/overflow method appears only to be used for reflashing the CI CAMs (when placed in a Nokia CI receiver - 9600 or 9800).
As far as I can gather, the non-CI CAMs (sometimes referred to as "CA CAMs" can NOT be repogrammed externally at all - either from a pc's pcmcia interface, or via a Nokia box. At least, I can find no specific info on howe to do that. So to reflash the chip inside such a CAM (eg with those bin files you refer to) it seems to be necessary to remove it from the CAM first. This is not something a casual hobbyist is capable or willing to do. So you probably need to go to one of the specialist dealers (several in Germany) that offer it as a service (for a price typically in the range of DM 50 to 60).

If you DO attempt this yourself, you may like to know (getting back to your original question) that there is indeed also a bin file around that purports to support Mediaguard, Irdeto and Viaccess - just like a FreeCAM2 v0.16/17 in the CI CAMs.
That bin (and the others you mentioned) are available at MasterCRD's new site (links below, but watch out for mature content popups...)

Also note:
a while ago someone patched DVB2000 so that it incorporates an Irdeto card emulator (like the FreeCAM firmware). This is an unofficial version, and it caused a rumpus especially with the author of the official DVB2000.
Nevertheless, the patched version is out there, and comes in two flavours: one emulates a standard 0-card, the other a C-card which is used for Betacrypt., So if you loaded the latter then you would have Betacrypt - but not (I think) the standard Irdeto. And certainly not the other systems.
Anyone else confirm this?
The patched dvb2000 requires also a mod to the box.
Details (in Italian) and files at MasterCRD.

Links:
MasterCRD site at http://www.guck.at/mastercrd/
See download archive for the mentioned files.

So I'm afraid I may have been leading you up a blind alley previously. See also here: http://www.satellites.co.uk/scripts/webforum/DCForumID14/159.html

To avoid more confusion, can I ask anyone else out there with real experience in this are to come forward and confirm or deny the above. There must be loads of people lurking out there that have loads of actual experience with these Nokia boxes (I have none) - so please post here and let us all benefit from your knowledge!


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Thanks for all the information and patience, 2Old!

The reason I was harassing :-) you is that in my country I know people who are phoning some guys who come collect their mediamasters and after a day they give it back with support for irdeto,seca and viaccess. Now do not say I am tight but I like to mess with my things myself. Like I did with the season interface! Anyway I have seen one of these nokia 9200s at work (loaded with dvb2000) and they are faster (than my 9200s with dvb2000) and obviously worth their weight in gold as they can decode seca too!

If you happen to know of any other forum where I can get more info I will be happy to pass it to you. I am not doing this for money, but these people are charging a new cam's worth as a price and I think they are ripping people off. Another friend told me that he took his 9200 to a shop and after about 10 minutes it was ready to decode seca along with irdeto! That was the main reason I thought that the CAM is flashable.

But as you said, if there are any people with information, share it please.

I thank you again.
 

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2old,
you are correct in what you say, the older CA Cam must have the 27C512 eprom physically removed and reprogrammed, Amon 2.1 or 2.2 would be OK. This will give you I/S/V on a nokia 9200,9500,dbox by installing DVB2000 as well. A recent topic explains this in a link.

ipres
It must be remembered that you still have an irdeto cam and a normal card will still work in Nokia (oh yeh leave the card in a little while first time before pics) so an emulator is required for Seca or Via like wallbanger or some of the cards like DS9 or Alfredo Fun3in1 etc. research is required there.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 30-08-01 AT 09:48 AM (GMT)]Well about about wallbanger etc. I have that squared already as I took pains in installing win95 on a 486. But they work as I tried them (only irdeto though). As for the eprom, I will have a peek inside the CAM and see what chips are there.

But back to the CAM flashing. 2old if I understood you correctly you said that after the eprom is removed the Amon 2.1 or 2.2 will be ok or you can use Amon 2.1 or 2.2 without removing the eprom. When I opened the cam ( a while ago) all chips were surface mount on the small motherboard so I am not sure it can be removed unless it is heated with a professional tool.



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ilpresident,

You cannot flash the older CA Cam what we are talking about here is a physical task.
As you say when the cam is open all components are surface mount, you have to locate the 27C512 eprom and unsolder it from the board, buy a new OTP 27C512 eprom and program it in a specialised programmer (not the one you use for cards) with Amon 2.x firmware then resolder the new eprom back on the cam PCB..... or you can send your CA Cam for update as discussed in another post

choices Hmmm,
 

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Here are some links to companies that will reportedly flash the non-CI CAMs for you. I received these from someone else and can not verify nor vouch for these sites, but you could try contacting them

uk:
http://electronicashop.com/
http://www.westlandelectronics.com
http://www.gadgetsuk.net/
http://www.chipcardstore.com/

germany:
http://www.digicrack.de
 

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Cheers for the links 2old :-)

I will definately have a look.
 
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Hi there,

Firstly I must say, thank you for this site and doing the tough work you do, its a nice sight seing someone with the dedication you have.

Right enough of the sweet talking lets get down to business, lol,

Patching the old type cam, yes what a nightmare, Micro-surgery required and a steady hand required, if you are good with a soldering Iron as my mate is, (not me, I got two left hands, lol) then it can look like its from the factory, I too have the same decoder and cam as this chap asking the knowledge, and I too had a similar problem until I took it to my mate, then presto we got the patch and he did all the hard work on the cam board, loooking good so far, so it's a big YES that these cams can be done, and they can be done by the home user, provided they have knowledge of the chips and so on, (data sheets are helpful on this) so as to doing it yourself its fine with the knowledge and exsperience in soldering.

My little problem is I have it all done, but now cannot seem to get Seca and Viaccess to run, I get no problems with IRDETO I run Wallbanger and Wallbanger can see that the channells are changing, we have to reset the cam or switch off the box to change over decryption but thats a small price to pay, I am also running the latest DVB2000 software, we have also built a pheonix interface inside the box with a serial port too, and a little switch on the back to turn it on and off in case I want to use the card slot for somin else.

What I need is more info on the Patch for the cam that has been put into the CAM, my friend requires more info on the Patch as it could be a silly glitch we are missing, or it could be a setup feature problem we are having with Wallbanger, any Ideas on that would be most helpful, other than that I am very happy with the work done so far, and at very little cost to me, as I have salvaged most of the componants from my "Icard" thats not in use at the moment(I have a good mate) he would do this for others for a small negotiable, but thats upto him to sort out with the end user...

Kind regards and thanks for all your help and info so far..

Regards

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Hi too old,

I have 'received' a post from Maggot_UK. He seemed to be adressing you and by mistake he replied to me. Can you please contact him? This is his post (posted on 26 November 2001):

Regards

Ilpresident


Hi there,
Firstly I must say, thank you for this site and doing the tough work you do, its a nice sight seing someone with the dedication you have.

Right enough of the sweet talking lets get down to business, lol,

Patching the old type cam, yes what a nightmare, Micro-surgery required and a steady hand required, if you are good with a soldering Iron as my mate is, (not me, I got two left hands, lol) then it can look like its from the factory, I too have the same decoder and cam as this chap asking the knowledge, and I too had a similar problem until I took it to my mate, then presto we got the patch and he did all the hard work on the cam board, loooking good so far, so it's a big YES that these cams can be done, and they can be done by the home user, provided they have knowledge of the chips and so on, (data sheets are helpful on this) so as to doing it yourself its fine with the knowledge and exsperience in soldering.

My little problem is I have it all done, but now cannot seem to get Seca and Viaccess to run, I get no problems with IRDETO I run Wallbanger and Wallbanger can see that the channells are changing, we have to reset the cam or switch off the box to change over decryption but thats a small price to pay, I am also running the latest DVB2000 software, we have also built a pheonix interface inside the box with a serial port too, and a little switch on the back to turn it on and off in case I want to use the card slot for somin else.

What I need is more info on the Patch for the cam that has been put into the CAM, my friend requires more info on the Patch as it could be a silly glitch we are missing, or it could be a setup feature problem we are having with Wallbanger, any Ideas on that would be most helpful, other than that I am very happy with the work done so far, and at very little cost to me, as I have salvaged most of the componants from my "Icard" thats not in use at the moment(I have a good mate) he would do this for others for a small negotiable, but thats upto him to sort out with the end user...

Kind regards and thanks for all your help and info so far..

Regards

Maggot_UK
 
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