Astra 2E: Iberia & Balearics Reports

[Captain Jack]

90cm dish

Is that on the Fibo 90cm, which is generally better than pretty much all of other 90cm dishes out there?

 

[Huevos]

Is that on the Fibo 90cm, which is generally better than pretty much all of other 90cm dishes out there?

Yes, but with a fixed dish your not relying on the motor for repeatability.

 

[joddle]

Why should power be rising? Are they actually increasing the transmission power or is this just a time related thing? I suppose they have to make some adjustment in these early stages and tweak things!

 

[Tururu]

Good morning , last night was fun to see the changes.Variations in the morning are now minimal , between 0'5dB and 1.0dB at most.The new tp are very stable.
If you really occupied the position of geostationary old ASTRA2D 'll see faster, I keep signal variations along the day .In ASTRA2D winter every year in late November to mid February propagation could tune opens and seven vertical tp 's of the 9 who was then in a few days I'll see if levels mantinen or down as then .
When the weather improves , the levels will be more real , now with clouds and rain at times .
I have a 94cm motorized dish, but comparing with other fellow Madrid area, fixed antenna minimum 120cm , 130cm motorized or more to have the same levels.
Currently would recommend minimum offset 150cm or larger to avoid problems with the weather and see the TV 24hours .

A davidcmadrid greeting.
@ Gefiltefish : Nor is whether to congratulate you or give you the condolences .
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Buenos dias, anoche fue divertido ver los cambios.
Las variaciones ahora por la mañana son minimas, entre 0'5dB y 1.0dB como mucho.
Los nuevos tp son muy estables.
Si realmente ocupara la posicion geoestacionaria del viejo Astra2D lo veremos rapidamente, conservo sus variaciones de señal a lo largo del dia.
Con el Astra2D en invierno, todos los años de finales de Noviembre a mediados de Febrero la propagacion se abre y podia sintonizar 7 tp's verticales de los 9 que tenia entonces, en unos dias vere si se mantinen los niveles o bajan como entonces.

Cuando el tiempo mejore, los niveles seran mas reales, ahora con nuves y lluvia por momentos.

Tengo una antena motorizada de 94cm, pero comparando con otros compañeros de Madrid (zona), antena fija minimo 120cm, motorizada 130cm o mas para tener los mismos niveles.

Actualmente recomendaria minimo 150cm offset o mas grande para no tener problemas con el mal tiempo y poder ver la TV las 24horas.

Un saludo davidcmadrid.
@Gefiltefish: Tampoco se si felicitarte o darte el pesame.

 

[Tururu]

Cloudy, fall 4 drops.
For boys the test signal levels are much higher than with the old Astra2D touches down something else.

PS: Thanks for uploading the north footprint, I can put back the old antenna 80cm.
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Nublado, caen 4 gotas.
Para los chicos de los test, los niveles de señal son mucho mas altos que con el viejo Astra2D, toca bajar algo mas.
PD: Gracias por subir la huella norte, podre poner de nuevo la vieja antena de 80cm.

Madrid North (40.5458°N, 3.612°W) near Ikea.
94cm dish, DB800S-HD, simple style/sencillo.
6-2-2014 10:45(spain) 9:45(GMT)

10714 =  14.00dB  Channel 4 (c4l)
10729 =  14.50dB  Channel 4 +1
10744 =  13.50dB ========>>>>> 8.0dB RTE One
10758 =  14.50dB  ITV
10773 =  13.00dB ========>>>>> 8.0dB BBC 1 London
10788 =  14.00dB ========>>>>> 9.0dB BBC 1 Wales
10803 =  13.50dB ========>>>>> 8.5dB BBC 1 Scotland
10817 =  14.00dB ========>>>>> 9.0dB BBC 1 Oxford
10832 =  15.00dB  ITV HD
10847 =  14.00dB ========>>>>> 8.5dB BBC One HD
10862 =  14.00dB ========>>>>> 8.5dB Disney
10876 =  14.50dB ========>>>>> 9.0dB Nickelodeon
10891 =  14.00dB  ITV +1
10906 =  15.00dB  STV
10921 =  15.00dB ========>>>>> 9.0dB TCM
10935 =  15.50dB ========>>>>> 9.5dB ITV HD
10964 =   9.50dB  Channel 5
10994 =   9.00dB  ITV HD
11023 =   9.00dB  BBC 1 Scot HD
11053 =   9.50dB  ITV +1
11067 =   9.50dB  20800/810 y 21000 (ITV HD)
11097 =  10.00dB  21000/10/20/30 (ITV HD)
11126 =  10.00dB  Channel 4 HD
11222 =   9.50dB  Greatest Hits
11224 =  11.50dB  RT HD
11260 =  10.50dB  B4U Music
11261 =  10.00dB  horror channel
11307 =  11.00dB  Flava Bliss Scuzz
11343 =  11.00dB  CBS Reality
11344 =  11.00dB  CBS Drama
11426 =  10.00dB  FRANCE 24 eng
11428 =   9.50dB  Fashion One/LBP TV
11719 =  18.50dB  Lifetime HD
11739 =  18.00dB
11758 =  19.00dB  Animal Plnt HD
11778 =  18.00dB
11797 =  17.50dB
11817 =  17.50dB
11836 =  18.00dB  Sky Action
11856 =  17.00dB  E4 HD
11875 =  18.50dB
11895 =  17.50dB
11914 =  17.50dB  Pick
11934 =  17.50dB  Sky Intro
11992 =   9.00dB  Dave
12012 =  18.00dB  Sky Family HD
12031 =  19.00dB
12051 =  16.50dB
12070 =  16.00dB ========>>>>> 8.0dB
12090 =  16.50dB ========>>>>> 6.0dB
12109 =  18.00dB
12148 =  17.00dB ========>>>>> 9.0dB
12168 =  16.50dB ========>>>>> 6.5dB
12187 =  19.00dB
12207 =  17.00dB  Pick/Sky News
12226 =  17.00dB ========>>>>> 8.5dB
12246 =  16.00dB ========>>>>> 6.0dB
12265 =  19.00dB
12285 =  18.00dB
12304 =  16.00dB ========>>>>> 8.0dB
12324 =  17.00dB ========>>>>> 9.5dB
12343 =  19.00dB
12363 =  18.50dB
12382 =  18.50dB  Dave HD
12460 =  18.50dB  Sky 3D
12480 =   6.50dB  Box Kiss Kerrang Smash Hits
12515 =  18.00dB  MOTORS TV UK
12520 =  17.50dB  Heart Capital Clubland PlanetPop
12545 =  18.00dB
12551 =  17.00dB
12574 =  17.50dB
12580 =  17.00dB
12604 =  17.00dB
12610 =  17.00dB  Kiss Magic RT
12633 =  17.50dB  Al Jazeera
12640 =  17.00dB
12663 =  15.50dB  Euronews
12669 =  16.00dB  CH NINE UK

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

First I'd just like to say condolences to anyone that has lost all their BBC channels. ITV and Channel 4 (more4, E4, etc) haven't migrated yet but expect the same from them too.

Here on the Costa Blanca 1 metre dishes are now a thing of the past for sure. Not much headroom with a 110cm dish either. All channels play ok but 8PSK transponders are a bit flaky. I'm going to put up a 1.4m for testing later today see how much headroom there is on that.

Now we just need to follow the daily signal trend of this satellite. If it is anything like 2F power will rise over the next few hours.

If anyone local to here needs help getting their channels back feel free to send me a message and I'd be happy to help.

90cm dish (called 1 metre in Spain):

Does this mean my 120cm dish is actually 110cm? I think it might be wider than tall, or the other way around.

Thanks for your signal readings, Huevos - very useful. Only fractionally down on 2F for me - all good.

 

[sector_d]

Situation in Porto / Northern Portugal is:

- Way worse than old 2D (I could pick it up with 1 metre)
- Much, much worse that 1N. Now I need at least 180 cm Prime Focus and even with this dish, I just lost picture for about 5 minutes, since there is no rain margin!!
- Levels are similar/ slightly worse than 2F "fives" TP.

In terms of SNR measured by ET9x00, dropped from >16dB to <7.5 dB in all moved transponders. I need more margin to cope with rain...

 

[pipino]

around costablanca i would say to have a correct signal a 1.30-1.40 min dish will be needed for the whole astra2 spectrum , no more 2.40 dish needed ..that´s very good news

 

[sparkyinspain]

Sparky, what part of Murcia?

Mula, NW Murcia

 

[Tururu]

Some pictures.

 

[davidcmadrid]

Hi Tururu,

What is the minimum SNR % you need with that tuner for stable reception ?

I just checked remotley the tuner at home and i can still recieve all TP from UK Spot 2e on my 1.2 motorized though i cant see signal level. I have to say im surprised that 2E while appearing slightly weaker for most people compared to 2F doenst have a signifigant difference in footprint , it appears almost the exact same.

 

[pipino]

Hi Tururu,

What is the minimum SNR % you need with that tuner for stable reception ?

I just checked remotley the tuner at home and i can still recieve all TP from UK Spot 2e on my 1.2 motorized though i cant see signal level. I have to say im surprised that 2E while appearing slightly weaker for most people compared to 2F doenst have a signifigant difference in footprint , it appears almost the exact same.

yes the 2E bird is the exact same as 2F , we´v been saying it since last year

 

[davidcmadrid]

Yes Pipino , frankly I didnt expect it to be "so" similar in terms of real life performance especially in regards to the nulls and hotspots out of target .. had i .. clearly i wouldnt have a 1.5m sitting on my roof The manufacturing tolerances are amazingly thight when one considers the maths and distances involved

 

[Tururu]

Hi Tururu,

What is the minimum SNR % you need with that tuner for stable reception ?
I just checked remotley the tuner at home and i can still recieve all TP from UK Spot 2e on my 1.2 motorized though i cant see signal level. I have to say im surprised that 2E while appearing slightly weaker for most people compared to 2F doenst have a signifigant difference in footprint , it appears almost the exact same.

With DB800S-HD tuner to watch and listen without pixelated.
DVB-S.- Channel SD / HD up to SNR30%.
DVB-S2.-Channel HD over SNR40%.

The Vu + Duo2 are even lower and the BER 0,
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Con el sintonizador DB800S-HD para ver y escuchar sin pixelaciones.
DVB-S canales SD/HD hasta SNR 30%
DVB-S2-canales HD mas de SNR40%

En el Vu+Duo2 son incluso mas bajos y el BER 0,

 

[Huevos]

En el Vu+Duo2 son incluso mas bajos y el BER 0,

On a Vu+ the BER is always zero.

i cant see signal level.

http://boxIP/api/signal

 

[solarboy]

Theoretical noob question, just how big would you guess a dish need to be to get reception in the Algarve. I have a lot of construction equipment and lots of space and I do love a challenge. I'm thinking a DIY monster dish...

 

[pipino]

Theoretical noob question, just how big would you guess a dish need to be to get reception in the Algarve. I have a lot of construction equipment and lots of space and I do love a challenge. I'm thinking a DIY monster dish...

someone told me you would need at least 4.5 dish to get something in that area ..i dont know if its true as i dont have any personel experience there but thats what i know

 

[davidcmadrid]

There was a report with 2F from a rebroadcaster in the Algarve that they got nothing with a 4m dish.

 

[solarboy]

Yep, Val de Lobo I think it was with the 4m dish. 4.5 should be doable.hmm

 

[mixatweety]

Near Barcelona (Spain), all BBC TV and radio from Astra 2 now show 'No signal'.