Advice Needed Dual feed: 5W (main focus) + 13E - 90cm Triax dish

[andrea89]

Hi guys, I just wanted to say hi to everyone, this is my first post, I'm a huge fan of satellite reception, anyway let's get to the point.
I live in Valle d'Aosta (Italy - Google maps link: https://www.google.it/maps/place/Valle d'Aosta/@45.7273524,7.3704382,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4788ded6c5aff5a7:0x5625987c799cd59b?hl=it )
and I own a 60cm dish, I'd like to have a dual feed, with the 5W being the main focus, and the 13E being of course the secondary focus, meaning the LNB for the 5W will be right at the center, and the LNB for the 13E will be moved to the left.
Do you know if I'll be able to pull this off with a 90cm dish ?
I'm slightly worried about the dimension of the dish, though I must say that where I live you could probably receive the 13E with a 45cm dish.
That's also the reason why I though that the 13E should be the secondary focus and the 5W should be the primary, because reception for 5W is slightly more difficult than reception for 13E, but only slightly, since given that I live at the border with France I benefit from the 5W footprint.
Being my dish a Triax, this is the multifeed that I'll have to purchase:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Multifeed..._Ant_Sat_Ant_Installation&hash=item51c1f90c72

I hope someone with experience can give me some advice.

 

[timo_w2s]

Hello and welcome to the forum!

I have a TD88 (85cm) Triax dish with the same multifeed you link to. (My LNBs are looking at 28E/23E/19E/13E plus an extra one stuck on the side for 5E using an extra bracket)

To get both 5W and 13E you'd need to align the dish at something between the two satellites (say 5E or 1W) using the standard LNB holder and then place the multifeed on the dish with the two LNBs on either end of the multifeed bar and adjust it again for best signals from both satellites. I can't comment on how it would perform in real life, but that would be how I would set it up.

The multifeed bar isn't long enough to see 13E if the dish is aligned at 5W and the angle between the satellites would also mean it wouldn't work very well anyway. (Also it's not possible to place an LNB at the centre with this multifeed setup without modifying it)

Why not just use two smaller dishes since you already have a 60cm? If you've got the space I think you'd find it more reliable in the long run.

 

[hairybadger]

I live just over the border from you; in fact I generally come to your part of the world a couple of times a year :-) A T90 would do the job, although it's on the large side. Mine covers 45e to 5w, although the extremes aren't particularly strong. I have it centred on 19.2e.

 

[andrea89]

I live just over the border from you; in fact I generally come to your part of the world a couple of times a year A T90 would do the job, although it's on the large side. Mine covers 45e to 5w, although the extremes aren't particularly strong. I have it centred on 19.2e.

that's funny because I hang out in Haute-Savoie at least 6-7 times a year, usually it's Sallanches, Annemasse and Geneva in Switzerland, anyway I was looking forward to someone who lives near me so that I can get a better idea as to what I can expect.
Thanks for your feedback, I'll feed the information that you just provided me into my satellite software and I'll get back to you to ask you some other information.

 

[Journey]

Really sorry for jumping on someone else's thread, but can i ask please what is worth having on 5w?

thanks

 

[andrea89]

you're more than welcome to jump in my thread, actually what I want to watch on 5W is the bouquet Fransat, the whole french TV channels, you only need a specific receiver (www.fransat.fr) which also includes a card because the channels are encrypted, however there is no subscription apart from the purchase of the receiver.

Besides Fransat bouquet, you also have some french FTA channels, some subscription-only bouquets as BIS, which is, you guessed it, more french channels, and some italian channels transmitted in DVB-S2 multistream, which of course you can't watch unless you own some specific equipment.
That's pretty much it.

5W is basically almost all french channels, so unless you speak french, or you want to learn it, there is no reason to watch it.
In the past french TV used to transmit all the football world cup matches, now they don't anymore, not all of the them, still if you're a tennis fan you can watch Roland Garros.

 

[Lazarus]

Yes, we watch the FTA French Channels on 5W quite often. Sadly TF1 is Encrypted on 5W, but can be obtained FTA on 9E (In its "Suisse" variant)

 

[andrea89]

Yes, we watch the FTA French Channels on 5W quite often. Sadly TF1 is Encrypted on 5W, but can be obtained FTA on 9E (In its "Suisse" variant)

well actually the swiss version is probably better, I was told that the TV series and the movies come in two languages, french and the original language, which is usually english, instead on 5W you don't get that choice.
Still, if you purchase a Fransat receiver, you get the whole channels, which you don't get on 9E

 

[hairybadger]

well actually the swiss version is probably better, I was told that the TV series and the movies come in two languages, french and the original language, which is usually english, instead on 5W you don't get that choice.
Still, if you purchase a Fransat receiver, you get the whole channels, which you don't get on 9E

I can confirm this regarding Swiss TF1, great *if* you want to watch endless US pseudo-forensic shows in all their English-language glory :-)

There is also tntsat on 19.2e available on a similar basis.

 

[andrea89]

the thing is that TNTSAT on 19.2E comes with a card that expires after 4 years, you'll then have to purchase the card after the expiration.
Even Fransat card comes with a disclaimer, that the card will be deactivated as soon as it'll be pirated, however given the extremely high level of encryption in this day and age I can safely say it won't happen, last time I checked they didn't succeed in decrypting the signal.
Nowadays more and more people are turning to cardsharing, that's probably why we haven't witnessed any advances in piracy.

 

[Lazarus]

the thing is that TNTSAT on 19.2E comes with a card that expires after 4 years, you'll then have to purchase the card after the expiration.
Even Fransat card comes with a disclaimer, that the card will be deactivated as soon as it'll be pirated, however given the extremely high level of encryption in this day and age I can safely say it won't happen, last time I checked they didn't succeed in decrypting the signal.
Nowadays more and more people are turning to cardsharing, that's probably why we haven't witnessed any advances in piracy.

Card sharing is Piracy, for the most part.

 

[andrea89]

Card sharing is Piracy, for the most part.

of course it is, and the worse part is that so many websites are flourishing, for like 10 € you get all the channels you want, even a noob could do it, and I guess that the servers are located far away, the company is probably located in a different country from the server's, and that's why they are harder to get.

 

[hairybadger]

the thing is that TNTSAT on 19.2E comes with a card that expires after 4 years, you'll then have to purchase the card after the expiration.

You can get a new one for 15EUR or so (well, you can if you have a French address ). Have never got it to work with my solo2, though.

 

[andrea89]

yeah, it's not expensive if you think about it, still I don't have a french address and I decided to get a Fransat receiver which gives me the peace of mind that the card will be valid for years to come, hopefully.
Badger, I was thinking, I'm asking you since you live next to me, and next to the border with Switzerland. Do you know if you can catch swiss DVB-T over there ?

 

[hairybadger]

yeah, it's not expensive if you think about it, still I don't have a french address and I decided to get a Fransat receiver which

OK, but if needs be this could be worked around....

Badger, I was thinking, I'm asking you since you live next to me, and next to the border with Switzerland. Do you know if you can catch swiss DVB-T over there ?

I don't have an antenna set up for this, but my neighbour 40m away does. Am about 20km from border near Bonneville. You can get transmitter locations and signal strengths from tnttest.org, which gives data for dvb-t from neighbouring countries as well as France.

 

[andrea89]

OK, but if needs be this could be worked around....


I don't have an antenna set up for this, but my neighbour 40m away does. Am about 20km from border near Bonneville. You can get transmitter locations and signal strengths from tnttest.org, which gives data for dvb-t from neighbouring countries as well as France.

unfortunatelt I just found out what T90 means, it means it's kind of a special dish designed to receive several satellites which are far away from each other, however I own a simple satellite dish, I noticed that you have an azimut of approximately 30° on each side of the central satellite, there is no way I'll achieve this kind of angle with my dish.

 

[sonnetpete]

Not sure what you mean by 30 degrees either side of central as that would cover 60 degrees of arc. You are looking to cover 18 degrees (5W to 13E) Look at the picture of my Triax TD88. It covers from 42E on the extreme left to 19E on the right, a spread of 23 degrees. What you are trying for is pretty doable...

 

[Hughes]

A few observations on French TV as seen from Galicia. I have Fransat on 5 West, reception of which is difficult. TF1 and M6 Suisse on 9 East are great. I think Suisse just means they have Swiss adverts some of the time. Also sometimes the English soundtrack appears to be on the SD variant, and not the HD. My latest find is TV5 Mahgreb Orient on 26 East in HD.

 

[Lazarus]

Reception difficult?

How so - the Ku Band Superbeam and Widebeam are massively strong throughout Europe, including the entire Iberian Peninsula.

A 60cm dish should be ample.

 

[Hughes]

I thought that might arouse your curiosity! My set-up consists of a Televés offset 120cm dish, which I think performs very well. On the end of the arm is a newish Inverto Black Ultra twin LNB. One of the feeds goes to a Skybox via an 8 way DiSEqC switch. Reception is OK with a signal quality of 72-74, for what that is worth. I receive the FTA French and Berber channels, including the many radio stations. The other feed goes straight to a Fransat HD box. Some channels, especially HD are quite robust, but many, such as France 4 are liable to freeze momentarily, and disappear as soon as it rains, which is not uncommon here! The radio channels, which are on quite high frequencies, have never worked. I think the receiver is not particularly sensitive. In the old analogue days the signal did seem a lot stronger. Any thoughts?