all genuine viasat satellite hd boxes did not show 3pm today

[moosegoose]

thank you channel hopper and rolfw for you input. there is a lot of conspiracy theory's being touted and all so loads of rumours with no substance. i would appreciate you take on the situation.
who do you think is behind all of this
and do you think there is a work around solution to getting these missing channels back.
regards moosegoose

 

[Channel Hopper]

and do you think there is a work around solution to getting these missing channels back.

That is, of course the $64k question

The answer - unlikely. The broadcaster will be under pressure to ensure the content they are supplied only gets to those in the region they are in control of. The box manufacturer uses chipsets designed to prevent unauthorised access to content by a number of methods

As below

It -the BCM7318 - is capable of decoding transport streams delivered via the fully
integrated 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controller, or via the IDE ATA host I/F
from an external hard disk drive, or from an external TS input source
such as a DVB-C/S or T NIM.

_http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet2/9/0o1aakouy1jy6ioq7zuhrkx5qhyy.pdf

The content comes in scrambled to the chip, and therefore remains scrambled inside the box until all authorisation checks are validated. If any one is missed, there is no chance of viewing the content.

 

[newtolinux]

Guys , the facts . Padlock displayed in triangle with message """this channel is blocked ( 4 )""" Can only mean one thing. An over the air entitlement control message has been sent to the card by the provider to knock off the entitlement to these channels in particular. Lots of theories being batted around but 100% swedish cards are affected also so it is not just latvia/lithuania. Viasat are taking the technical fault line with there reasoning. This is not just confirmed by uk dealers but confirmed at source in latvia. Ultimately most uk dealers are buying from the same sources in Riga , Latvia !! All the theories about them losing the rights is nonsense otherwise they wouldnt be legally able to still display on all their websites 380 premier league matches in advertising to attract new consumers in their home terrotories.

Technical fault

Could be computers/billing involving over the air updates with entitlements etc
Latest software upodate over the air to box has failed when they have tried to implement the new software for nhl channels 1-8
The most likely a dispute with EPL over 3pm games. I am guessing they are waiting to see the outcome of the case on 16th December at the high court in the UK.


The Telephone connection or ethernet connection could be plausable as viasast extra pl is now appearing as a viaplay service on the swedish website. However Latvia currently dont offer this service !! Someone had commented maybe here or elsewhere about legal letters going to viasat. Whats the point !!! We are all in breech of their terms and conditions by using their package outside of the intended territory.

Karen Murphys case yes said that providers could now sell to other eu member states but didnt say at all that they had to. I am guessing there T&C's with the EPL over there rights package stipulates this somewhere and if not adhered to would create consequence.I am guessing this is what has happened.

Sky have yet again played a blinder throughout this whole ordeal. They have bullied all the providers with the might of the EPL to again gain dominance however this time they are in the strongest position ever. They have been given the go ahead to sell their cards abroad should they wish . They already have there SKY brand on 28.2, 19 , 13 degrees and are looking favourites to be the first pan european broadcaster in my opinion. Everything is falling into place probably as they would like to. Even if Murphy has a result back in the high court it wont really effect the man at home in his arm chair. Sky pay more than any provider for EPL rights so quite rightly they try to defend there business. As dirty as there methods maybe they always get away with it. Cast your mind back when ON Digital threatened Murdochs growing empire so what happened ; ON digital hacked wide open . Tring sent a big fingers up on saturday to the EPL by letting one 3pm game go out as free to air.

Other fact reference Latvian sub . All contracts which are paid for monthly via a latvian bank account with a true latvian residence seem unaffected as confirmed by three residents in Riga . They watched games without interuption. Only difference with there contracts is that they are not prepaid. When the Viasat dealer in Latvia pre pays the account in full it must stick out like a sore thumb bearing in mind Latvia is a poor nation. I am guessing they only even created a pre paid option for there cards to flood overseas.

new2

 

[newtolinux]

The Viaplay features in the pace receiver actually use irdeto technolgy. The viewing card in the pace receiver uses N$S . I couldnt see the two working together to be honest but anything is possible. Easy way to test the callback theory would be to setup a vpn tunnel with someone in latvia or rent a cheap vps in latvia and setup openvpn between your network and latvian one and then plug the box in and see what happens ; i'm guessing nothing. Not everyone in Latvia has a phoneline let alone braodband however those in Latvia that could afford satellite i suppose could afford broadband etc. They only have a population of about 2 million and i think viasat latvia themselves only a subscriber base of about 50,000. 1/3 of which atleast have probably found there way into the uk lol ; again referring back why do you think they allow pre paid....

 

[leemot]

Ok. here is what my supplier has told me - there will be no 3pm games from viasat be it on xtra pl1-5 or premiere league hd for the time being. Even the channel listing has changed for sat 3pm on pl hd from united v wolves to city v norwich there is no way that they can make 2 seperate programs run on the same channel one for one card and another for another, so all boxes shown the wrong game on saturday on pl hd.
Even for people in latvia and the reason some got the games on xtra is because they have not blocked all of them yet, but they will not be broadcasting anything on them blocked or not for the future.
Only relaying what im told and its not like a dealer to try and tell you the worst without knowing for shure...

 

[rigsby]

Thanks Leemot.

So where do people or suppliers stand regards some form of compensation from Viasat as contracts
were put in place & signed at the suppliers end (i have copies of some for Viasat Lithuania), as Viasat
have removed some channels from their line up ?

I guess it problably says that Viasat have the right to remove programs & channels at their own
leisure & we can't do anything about it....sign here ....if you accept our terms.

My thoughts are that EPL has probably paid Viasat a nice sum of money to remove 3pm matches &
effectively end the three year contract 18 months early & EPL will move around Europe over the next 18 months doing this to all satellite companies on a country by country basis until nobody has 3pm games & they can give Sky the rights for a pan European service.
After all sky pay EPL massive amounts of money, probably much much more than the whole of the other satellite companies put together, so it makes a business sense for EPL to pay off their contracts to others early as they will gain much more back from Sky when they go Europe wide.

 

[moosegoose]

Thanks Leemot.

So where do people or suppliers stand regards some form of compensation from Viasat as contracts
were put in place & signed at the suppliers end (i have copies of some for Viasat Lithuania), as Viasat
have removed some channels from their line up ?

I guess it problably says that Viasat have the right to remove programs & channels at their own
leisure & we can't do anything about it....sign here ....if you accept our terms.

My thoughts are that EPL has probably paid Viasat a nice sum of money to remove 3pm matches &
effectively end the three year contract 18 months early & EPL will move around Europe over the next 18 months doing this to all satellite companies on a country by country basis until nobody has 3pm games & they can give Sky the rights for a pan European service.
After all sky pay EPL massive amounts of money, probably much much more than the whole of the other satellite companies put together, so it makes a business sense for EPL to pay off their contracts to others early as they will gain much more back from Sky when they go Europe wide.

unfortunately only the person who deals directly with viasat will have seen the t&c. and they will have agreed to them. and then broke them by shipping to the uk. i spoke to a solicitor who costs £175 hr ouch. there advice was at the time of supply every thing was as stated and the fact that viasat have cut the service is not the fault of your supplier as they had no knowledge of this. there advice regarding suing viasat was your customers would be have been naive to believe that using a european satellite system, outside its intended country of use was without risks. there are lots of scenarios where you may lose what you paid for.A satellite could go down or the viasat systems could be deemed illegal on the 16 dec or your team could get relegated. no of these is the fault of the supplier. there will be a lot of angry landlords and who can blame them as they get very little help.

 

[rigsby]

Guys , the facts . Padlock displayed in triangle with message """this channel is blocked ( 4 )""" Can only mean one thing. An over the air entitlement control message has been sent to the card by the provider to knock off the entitlement to these channels in particular. Lots of theories being batted around but 100% swedish cards are affected also so it is not just latvia/lithuania. Viasat are taking the technical fault line with there reasoning. This is not just confirmed by uk dealers but confirmed at source in latvia. Ultimately most uk dealers are buying from the same sources in Riga , Latvia !! All the theories about them losing the rights is nonsense otherwise they wouldnt be legally able to still display on all their websites 380 premier league matches in advertising to attract new consumers in their home terrotories.

Technical fault

Could be computers/billing involving over the air updates with entitlements etc
Latest software upodate over the air to box has failed when they have tried to implement the new software for nhl channels 1-8
The most likely a dispute with EPL over 3pm games. I am guessing they are waiting to see the outcome of the case on 16th December at the high court in the UK.


The Telephone connection or ethernet connection could be plausable as viasast extra pl is now appearing as a viaplay service on the swedish website. However Latvia currently dont offer this service !! Someone had commented maybe here or elsewhere about legal letters going to viasat. Whats the point !!! We are all in breech of their terms and conditions by using their package outside of the intended territory.

Karen Murphys case yes said that providers could now sell to other eu member states but didnt say at all that they had to. I am guessing there T&C's with the EPL over there rights package stipulates this somewhere and if not adhered to would create consequence.I am guessing this is what has happened.

Sky have yet again played a blinder throughout this whole ordeal. They have bullied all the providers with the might of the EPL to again gain dominance however this time they are in the strongest position ever. They have been given the go ahead to sell their cards abroad should they wish . They already have there SKY brand on 28.2, 19 , 13 degrees and are looking favourites to be the first pan european broadcaster in my opinion. Everything is falling into place probably as they would like to. Even if Murphy has a result back in the high court it wont really effect the man at home in his arm chair. Sky pay more than any provider for EPL rights so quite rightly they try to defend there business. As dirty as there methods maybe they always get away with it. Cast your mind back when ON Digital threatened Murdochs growing empire so what happened ; ON digital hacked wide open . Tring sent a big fingers up on saturday to the EPL by letting one 3pm game go out as free to air.

Other fact reference Latvian sub . All contracts which are paid for monthly via a latvian bank account with a true latvian residence seem unaffected as confirmed by three residents in Riga . They watched games without interuption. Only difference with there contracts is that they are not prepaid. When the Viasat dealer in Latvia pre pays the account in full it must stick out like a sore thumb bearing in mind Latvia is a poor nation. I am guessing they only even created a pre paid option for there cards to flood overseas.

new2

I can now rule out the Pre Paid card theory as Pre Paid cards are still working in Lithuania according to my supplier.

The next theory about being outside a tight beam over the country of origin could still be correct.

But we could test this theory by taking one of our boxes back to the country (Lith or Latv) & then set it up
with a dish there.
If the box clears, we have our answer, if not, we move on & look for another solution.

One by one, we can rule out possible causes, it will just take time.

 

[Burnham Beech]

All the Viasat Xtra PL channels are showing their advertised 3pm matches in their EPGs for this coming Saturday - 10 December 2011. There are 7 3pms this Saturday and all but the ManUvWolves games are in the Viasat Xtra PL EPGs, the ManUvWolves game is in the Viasat Sport channel EPG. All this is SD information, don't know the HD status.

I would be interested to know what those people with a card are seeing at present on any Viasat Xtra PL channel - a blank screen or an unauthorised message.

 

[moosegoose]

there are no listings for the pl extra channels on a gen box all you see is no information. if you select one of the pl extra channels it just say no match. i have not checked today but as far as i am aware the pl extra channels have been showing a pad lock on screen since Saturday. i connected a box today which was activated after Saturday and the pl extra channels are not locked but the pl hd chanel is showing last weeks game for the up coming 3 pm on Saturday

 

[newtolinux]

transponders have not changed on the xtra pl channels so the tight beam can i think be ruled out . Also bearing in mind that users themselves in latvia are affected. Surely like i had said before if they had lost the games how can they still legally be selling a package on their website which claims to show 380 PL games. I would imagine this is clearly illegal as they are mis selling to gain subscribers. Another theory being put around between suppliers is that this week it will remain blocked and will only come back on dependant on the murphy outcome next friday in the high court. Seriously though technical fault my arse !!!!!

 

[paxrax]

again, don't shoot the messenger but i have been told that the contract between viasat and the premier league has been put on hold. the timescale involved is a maximum of 2 weeks.

it does seem a little strange that its only the epl games that are being blocked, surely if viasat were blocking subscription cards that were being used abroad then all premium channels would be blocked?

 

[moosegoose]

again, don't shoot the messenger but i have been told that the contract between viasat and the premier league has been put on hold. the timescale involved is a maximum of 2 weeks.

it does seem a little strange that its only the epl games that are being blocked, surely if viasat were blocking subscription cards that were being used abroad then all premium channels would be blocked?

that is a good point and something i did not understand . and the only answer to why they could not block all premium channels, would be that they can not be sure where all the cards are. so to minimise the impact on genuine customers they have just cut the 3pms. i can not understand why they have jumped the gun though. unless they have had inside information from sly that the 3pms are to be outlawed after the court case. this would make sense of all of this as they would be unlikely to win the main case.

 

[Gouldy2Shoes]

I have a Viasat Latvia system set up at my office (HD) box. This over the last few days had a message saying channel blocked/locked (4) this has now changed to no listings available which I believe is what it usually said prior to a 3pm game on Saturday. Do you think this may mean it will be on again?

 

[kiddy010]

have you found out anything? coz i have and its not good news...

 

[kiddy010]

i been in contact with overseas distributer and he says the FA has made a move to permanantly outlaw all 3pm games for the unseeable future...!

 

[fergyc]

i been in contact with overseas distributer and he says the FA has made a move to permanantly outlaw all 3pm games for the unseeable future...!

That would be a breach of contract and I think Viasat would get compensation

 

[pmbuzz]

I have 2 Viasat boxes, both are showing service blocked notices on XtraPL channels, at least i can show one game on CalcioHD but am going to missing out showing 2 more PL games Which is catastrophic for my business.
May have to install another Italia box, or do you think it's worth waiting for the ruling on the 16th ?

From LJ's -

Due to an injunction by the English Premier League, all Saturday 3pm games have been withdrawn from the Viasat Baltic service as from December 3rd, 2011 ... until further notice.

 

[paxrax]

I have 2 Viasat boxes, both are showing service blocked notices on XtraPL channels, at least i can show one game on CalcioHD but am going to missing out showing 2 more PL games Which is catastrophic for my business.
May have to install another Italia box, or do you think it's worth waiting for the ruling on the 16th ?

From LJ's -

cant see the quote anywhere on ljs buddy, then again i have man flu atm.

id hang fire for a bit before buying anything!

 

[pmbuzz]

The quote is there online store page for viasat.

_ww.lj-sport.com/Channels/viasat.html]Viasat Baltic