Advice Needed Can i access cosmote tv (eutelsat 9b) with existing dish for freesat (eutelsat 16a)?

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Hello,

I would appreciate some help. I live in London and I can currently access TV through Freesat. A photo of the existing dish is shown below. I am interested in receiving Greek TV channels through Cosmote TV's satellite offering. Cosmote is the Greek equivalent of BT in the UK. I have a Greek billing address and thus it will not be a problem to subscribe to the service. Costmote TV is broadcasted from Eutelsat 9B at 9.0°E. Can I use the existing dish that I use for my Freesat reception in London, which broadcasts from Eutelsat 16A at 16.0°E? If not, can I use a larger dish for both satellite receptions, or will I need two different dishes pointing in different directions?

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Hi Marco, welcome to the forum. Those are standard Sky UK dishes, and will almost certainly be pointing at 28E not 16E.

You will need a second dish for 9E as whilst you can do offset lnbs for nearby satellites, 28E --> 9E is too far apart.
 
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The dish on the left looks as though it has been retired, though you would have to reverse the mount bracket to move over to 16, or 9East which might interfere with the dish below it.

I would also advise extreme caution working on, or near that roof, has the landlord given permission to work up there ?
 
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Thanks to the reply from both of you.

You are correct that the existing dishes point to 28E. My original (and incorrect) information was from this site that shows that Freesat is available from Eutelsat 16A at 16.0°E: Freesat on Eutelsat 16A at 16.0°E - LyngSat . Evidently Freesat in the Uk is available from 28.2°E Astra 2.

I spoke to a satellite dish installer and he suggested that I could use a multisatelite dish like this one: Cahors Big Bisat 90cm SMC multi satellite dish GREY: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics and this woudl enable me to access both Freesat at 28E and Cosmote 9E. Do you agree with this? If yes, is there any disadvantage in using a multisatelite dish?

The flat I live in is at a converted terraced house, where I own a share of the freehold, and I am also a director of the freehold company. Thus, getting permission to get this done will not be a problem. I could add another dish if I wish to do so. However, I prefer to use one dish, even if it were larger, so that I can access services from more than one satelitte.
 
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I spoke to a satellite dish installer and he suggested that I could use a multisatelite dish like this one: Cahors Big Bisat 90cm SMC multi satellite dish GREY: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics and this woudl enable me to access both Freesat at 28E and Cosmote 9E. Do you agree with this? If yes, is there any disadvantage in using a multisatelite dish?
This dish is very expensive.
You need a Triax TD 110 and you will get stronger signal.
Here is my multifeed for 9°E, 13°E, 16°E and 28°E

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The flat I live in is at a converted terraced house, where I own a share of the freehold, and I am also a director of the freehold company. Thus, getting permission to get this done will not be a problem. I could add another dish if I wish to do so. However, I prefer to use one dish, even if it were larger, so that I can access services from more than one satelitte.
Once you have removed a couple of old dishes and replaced the render upstairs, there should be no problem with bolting a 90cm dish on the roof, though I would suggest you use bolts that go right through the ridge.
 
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However, I prefer to use one dish, even if it were larger, so that I can access services from more than one satelitte.
If I were you, I wold ask on a Greek forum how to watch Alpha, Ant1, Art, M.tv, Mega, Skai, Stat, ERT1,2,3 & SportHD
 
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Hi Marco, welcome to the forum. Those are standard Sky UK dishes, and will almost certainly be pointing at 28E not 16E.

You will need a second dish for 9E as whilst you can do offset lnbs for nearby satellites, 28E --> 9E is too far apart.
There's a decent distance between them, but it's very possible. It can be done in Ireland for Freesat & Saorsat, while it could be done with the Saorsat LNB at the focal point, a better compromise is to focus the dish on 13E and then offset both LNBs. Minimum dish size would be 80cm to ensure enough rain fade margin for both positions (some of the 2G Euro beam signals at 28E might still be a bit iffy, but mostly all else, especially the channels on the UK & IRL spot beams, should be OK).

How this might work in London for picking up both 28E & 9E (Ku Band) would probably need a similar approach, and quite likely an 80cm dish minimum again. A modified "Sky" dish, even a Zone 2, I don't think would cut it.
 
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i installed many systems for OTE 9e .. i use 60cm down south and no complaints .. i suggest as the minidish for Freesat is already there to leave it alone and install an 80 cm for 9E , it should be cheaper and less troubleshooting needed if something goes wrong at some point .
 
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In his case, the cheapest and hassle free is IPTV for watching Greek channels, but this way he will never benefit of the numerous "free" channels from a multifeed dish with LNBs for 7°E, 9°E, 13°E, 16°E, 19°E, 23,5°E & 28°East.
He will never know what is your Cristor Atlas for, or what does the multistream mean.
I started in 1999 with just one 60cm dish for Hot Bird at 13°East, now I watch TV channels from 15 satellites with DiSEqC 16/1. In Europe we are lucky to have a rich diversity of different cultures and a huge offer of satellite TV channels.
 
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From an enthusiasts point of view that is much better , of course we want all channels under the sun :) , i am suggesting from a consumer that hasn't got the time or patience to fiddle with umpteen numbers of channels , lnb's , switches and cables .. and IPTV is good idea but i wouldn't call it hassle free , depending on the server of course :)
 
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Thanks for all the responses.

Costmote's Family plan is only 13 euros per month, and this not only won't break the bank, but it also has all the channels I am interested in. Many of the channels I am interested in (e.g. Skai, ANT1, Star, Open, Epsilon, ERT 1, ERT2) are available through the Internet, either from a PC browser, or some app (e.g. Greek TV, etc). The problem with IPTV is that most set top boxes do not have a decent browser (or they are a pain to use) and the apps are a hit or miss, and they do not include some channels. I have a Roku stick which has a "Greek TV" app, which for the most part does the job, except that it does not have the Skai, Star, and some other channels. I can access Skai through my TV's rudimentary browser, but it is a bit of a pain. I also tried NVIDIA's latest Shield android TV box, but downloading a decent browser is a pain. There are some proprietary IPTV boxes that offer foreign channels, but they cost money, and chances are they not legal. Finally, IPTV transmission is often interrupted due to intellectual property rights, which means that some channels stop broadcasting through the internet when certain content cannot be transmitted outside Greece. Thus, Cosmote's Family plan through satellite for 13 euros per month (billed at my Greek address) is not a big deal.

Thus, I may opt to add a second dish, in addition to my existing dish for Freesat, to access only Cosmote. I may prefer this solution, as a larger multi-satellite dish could in theory create an issue with my council. Will a 60 cm dish be sufficient to link to Eutelsat 9b, or will I need a larger dish? I am especially interested in @mariust5 opinion as he wrote that he has installed several of these.

@LeBelge Do you know what Greek channels are available for free (no subscription) through satellite reception?

My building's roof has 4 dishes from 4 different leaseholders, including me. And they all seem to serve Freesat/Sky services. The white dish (not mine) is 60 cm in diameter. What is the maximum number of outputs that an LNB can have? It may make sense to consolidate some of these to one or two dishes. Is there any disadvantage in doing so? Alternatively, it make sense to have a communal system.

Thanks,

Marco

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60 cm will work fine , make sure it's a good quality dish and lnb .

dishes being separate is an economical issue and who's responsible for what .. you can of course go communal and depending on the number of outputs needed , a 60cm dish and an Octo lnb would look a lot better :) , the disadvantage is that if something goes wrong you all suffer .

that 60 could be aimed at a different satellite as well .
 
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Assuming that the 3x Zone 1 (?) dishes are aimed at 28E, the white 60cm seems to be aimed slightly further West, so probably at 19E (we have a lot aimed at 19E or 13E around W/London due to the wide range of the backgrounds of the people who live here).
 
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Do you know what Greek channels are available for free (no subscription) through satellite reception?

What is the maximum number of outputs that an LNB can have?
I watch these: Alpha, Ant1, Art, Epsilon, M.tv, Mega, Skai, Star, ERT1,2,3 & SportHD from the sаtellites at 3°East & 39°East. For 0 δραχμές !

The white LNB is Octo = 8 receivers or DiSEqC can be connected.OctoLNB.JPG
 
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Thank you all for the feedback.


@LeBelge :
It seems that Alpha, ANT1, Skai, Open, and Star are available from Eutelsat 3B (3°E).
This is a pretty good selection for my purposes, which may even be adequate, and may not even need ERT. And no monthly subscription is a bonus.

ERT 1,2,3 and Sports HD are available from Hellas Sat 3 / Hellas Sat 4 (39°E).

Are any of the aforementioned channels transmitted in encrypted format, and if yes, then how am I supposed to view them?
Is transmission moving often from different satellites? In other words, what are the chances I will have to recalibrate the dish?

@mariust5 :
What brands are considered the best quality for dishes and LNBs?

@jeallen01 :
Thanks for pointing out the slightly different angle of the white dish. I will ask the owners where this points to.
 
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39 is going to be a struggle unless you get a toroidal style dish
 
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Thank you all for the feedback.


@LeBelge :
It seems that Alpha, ANT1, Skai, Open, and Star are available from Eutelsat 3B (3°E).
This is a pretty good selection for my purposes, which may even be adequate, and may not even need ERT. And no monthly subscription is a bonus.

ERT 1,2,3 and Sports HD are available from Hellas Sat 3 / Hellas Sat 4 (39°E).

Are any of the aforementioned channels transmitted in encrypted format, and if yes, then how am I supposed to view them?
Is transmission moving often from different satellites? In other words, what are the chances I will have to recalibrate the dish?

All the channels are encrypted. The channels you list are using an easily cirvumvented encryption (at the moment!) called BISS. Many receivers (but not all!) allow BISS codes to be entered via special menus. Codes can be found easily enough using your favourite browser, but we cannot help any further on the matter on this forum.
 
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Are any of the aforementioned channels transmitted in encrypted format, and if yes, then how am I supposed to view them?
Is transmission moving often from different satellites? In other words, what are the chances I will have to recalibrate the dish?
ERT 1,2,3 and Sports HD have moved from 3°E to 39°E.
I do not know if the others will move from 3°E because I'm not Greek and do not follow the news on greek forums. I am born in Bulgaria and I had a greek girlfriend in Sofia for several months. Here on this forum I can not tell you how to watch the greek channels. There is another place where my nickname is Azsambe ( = that's me in Bulgarian). A quick search in www.yandex.ru with - Мултистрийма на 33°E - will show you the way to the Holy Grale. But why don't you search in Greek ?
For 3°East you need a Triax TD88 to get quality of + / - 66%. With smaller dishes there will be problems in winter.
 
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