How can I pick up satellite UPLINKS?

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I do a lot of in-running betting. A 1 second delay can make a big difference. Any more than that is just huge

I think radio commentary is much nearer live, there's no messing around with camera angles and such. But even with a guy at an event, I would think the transaction time of placing and getting acknowledgement of the bet would eat up any advantage.

If you do find a little loophole, don't get greedy, best of luck.

:-righton

 

[Llew]

I do a lot of in-running betting. A 1 second delay can make a big difference. Any more than that is just huge

Spread betting of course allows you to bet on (say) a horse's existing position, but the time difference between any feed you can find covering the event and the bookmaker's SIS service will, as the previous poster says, will be far too small to enable you to place your bet.

For example - you take a raw feed from the SIS uplink on 20W . One hop.
SIS sends theirs up to 5E for the bookies. Another hop. You get a fraction of a second's advantage, that's all.

Llew

 

[tyshaunty]

I appreciate the help from everyone, but I do know what I am talking about on this

I need to get faster pictures for tennis. I KNOW that it is worth me spending plenty of money IF I can get these pics faster than I currently do

It just looks like its not possible

 

[Analoguesat]

These sorts of questions come up occasionally, and we can only offer the same advice. The direct feeds are your best bet, BUT some of them wont be sent via satellite. You need to know which feeds are likely to be available before we can really help.

Generally speaking, you need a motorised dish of 1.2m or preferably bigger, probably with inclined orbit tracking capabilities if the feeds are appearing on wobbly elderly satellites. If a 3 second advantage is sufficient, then a cheaper non inclined system will be suitable IF the event is on one of the foreign fta channels (Eurosport, DSF Germany or similar)

 

[tyshaunty]

These sorts of questions come up occasionally, and we can only offer the same advice. The direct feeds are your best bet, BUT some of them wont be sent via satellite. You need to know which feeds are likely to be available before we can really help.

Generally speaking, you need a motorised dish of 1.2m or preferably bigger, probably with inclined orbit tracking capabilities if the feeds are appearing on wobbly elderly satellites. If a 3 second advantage is sufficient, then a cheaper non inclined system will be suitable IF the event is on one of the foreign fta channels (Eurosport, DSF Germany or similar)

Thats great info, cheers

Would terrestrial channels from Europe be available on FTA satellite? For example, would the French, German, Belgian etc etc versions of our terrestrial channels (BBC1,2, ITV, C4 and C5) be available on Satellite?

And please could you let me know what you mean by a "non-inclined satellite"? Is that non-digital?

I think if I need a motorised dish over 1.2m, its going to have to wait until I move house, as my garden already has a big dish (think its 80cm) and I cant really get away with having a 120cm one.

I'm such a technofobe that I cant get my head round using the motorised dish. Pathetic isnt it

 

[rolfw]

Any satellite transmitted national channel will almost certainly suffer a delay, as they probably suffer the same number of hops to reach you.

An inclined orbit means that the satellite does not follow a perfect orbit and you need to be able to move your dish off the standard clarke belt arc to receive it.

 

[closetosoton]

Would terrestrial channels from Europe be available on FTA satellite? For example, would the French, German, Belgian etc etc versions of our terrestrial channels (BBC1,2, ITV, C4 and C5) be available on Satellite?

FTA French (Analogue), Point your Dish at 5W you'll get:
TF1, Fr2, Fr3, Canal+, Arte/Fr5 and M6

FTA French (Digital), Point your Dish at 5W you'll get:
Fr2,Fr3,Fr4,Fr5,Arte,LCP

FTA Belgian (Digital), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
RTBF Sat, Liberty TV

FTA German (Analogue), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
EurosportFranceSport
1-2-3.tvGermanyTeleshopping
3satGermanyGeneral
Arte (Germany)GermanyCultural
Astro TV 8h-16h CETGermanyVoyance
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Bayerisches FernsehenGermanyRegional
Bloomberg TV DeutschlandGermanyBusiness
BR AlphaGermanyCultural
Das ErsteGermanyGeneral
DSF - Deutsches Sport FernsehenGermanySport
Hessen FernsehenGermanyRegional
Home Shopping Europe DeutschlandGermany
Kabel 1GermanyGeneralClear
KIKA - Der KinderKanalGermanyChildren
MDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
MTV GermanyGermanyMusic
MTV POPGermanyMusic
n-tvGermanyNews
N24GermanyNews
NDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
Neun LiveGermanyGeneral
PhoenixGermanyNews
ProSiebenGermanyGeneral
QVC GermanyGermanyTeleshopping
RBB BrandenburgGermanyRegional
RTL 2GermanyGeneral
RTL ShopGermanyTeleshopping
RTL TelevisionGermanyGeneral
Sat 1GermanyGeneral
Sonnenklar TVGermanyTravel
Super RTLGermanyGeneralClear
Südwest Fernsehen Baden-WürtembergGermanyRegional
Südwest Fernsehen Rheinland-PfalzGermanyRegional
Tele 5GermanyGeneral
TV Shop DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
TV Travel Shop Germany
VIVAGermanyMusic
VIVA PlusGermanyMusic
VOXGermanyGeneral
WDRGermanyRegional
XXP 20h-0h CETGermanyGeneral
ZDFGermanyGeneralClear

FTA German (Digital), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
ARD MHP Tests GermanyPresentations
Arte (Germany)GermanyCultural
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Bahn TVGermanyNews
Bayerisches Fernsehen GermanyRegional
Bibel TVGermanyReligious
Bloomberg TV DeutschlandGermanyBusiness
BR Alpha GermanyCultural
Das Erste GermanyGeneral
Deluxe MusicGermanyMusic
DSF - Deutsches Sport FernsehenGermanySport
DW-TV (Deutsche Welle)GermanyNews
Eins Extra GermanyGeneral
Eins Festival GermanyGeneral
Eins Plus GermanyGeneral
Franken SatGermanyGeneral
Hessen Fernsehen GermanyRegional
Home Shopping Europe DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
K1010GermanyPresentations
Kabel 1GermanyGeneral
KIKA - Der KinderKanalGermanyChildren
Liebevoll.tvGermanyLifestyle
Lifestyle-TVGermanyLifestyle
LokalSatGermanyRegional
MDR Fernsehen GermanyRegional
MDR SachsenGermanyRegional
MDR Sachsen-AnhaltGermanyRegional
MDR ThüringenGermanyRegional
MTV GermanyGermanyMusic
MTV POPGermanyMusic
n-tvGermanyNews
N24GermanyNews
NDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
NDR Hamburg 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
NDR Niedersachsen 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
NDR Schleswig Holstein 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
Neun LiveGermanyGeneral
ONTVGermanyRegional
Otto ShopGermanyTeleshopping
PhoenixGermanyNews
Premiere Direkt promoGermanyPresentations
Primacom PromoGermanyPresentations
ProSieben GermanyGeneral
ProSiebenGermanyGeneral
Quiz des TagesGermanyGame
QVC GermanyGermanyTeleshopping
Radio Bremen TVGermanyGeneral
Raze TVGermanyTeleshopping
RBB Berlin GermanyRegional
RBB Brandenburg GermanyRegional
Rheinmain TV 11h-23h CETGermanyRegional
RNFplusGermanyRegional
RTL 2GermanyGeneral
RTL ShopGermanyTeleshopping
RTL TelevisionGermanyGeneral
Sat 1GermanyGeneral
Sat 1 SchweizGermanyGeneral
Sat 1 ÖsterreichGermanyGeneral
Sonnenklar TVGermanyTravel
SpielekanalGermanyGame
SR Südwest FernsehenGermanyRegional
Super RTLGermanyGeneral
Südwest Fernsehen Baden-WürtembergGermanyRegional
Südwest Fernsehen Rheinland-PfalzGermanyRegional
Tele 5GermanyGeneral
Traumkontakt.tvGermanyPresentations
Traumpartner TVGermanyLifestyle
TV GustoGermanyCooking
TV Shop DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
TV Shop Deutschland DaytimeGermanyTeleshopping
TV Travel Shop GermanyGermanyTravel
TV.BerlinGermanyRegional
VenusClub.tvGermanyErotic
VIVAGermanyMusic
VIVA PlusGermanyMusic
VOXGermanyGeneral
VOX ÖsterreichGermanyGeneral
WDR GermanyRegional
WDRGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Aachen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Bielefeld 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Dortmund 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Düsseldorf 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Essen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Münster 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Siegen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Wuppertal 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
Wellenlaenge TVGermanyPresentations
XXPGermanyGeneral
ZDF GermanyGeneral
ZDF DokukanalGermanyDocumentaries
ZDF InfokanalGermanyDocumentaries
ZDF Theaterkanal GermanyTheater

I could go on with the Austrian/Italian listings, but you get the idea. There are LOTS! I take no credit for lifting these channel lists from h**p://www.kingofsat.net....

Your 80cm dish should be good for ALL these channels if pointed in the right direction (assuming you have both an analogue and digital receiver - old analogue ones on eBay for ~£20)

Although analogue is getting less popular, I wonder whether there are relatively less delays - for example choose BBC1 analogue terrestial and BBC1 digital freeview (terestial also), there's a good 1-2secs in there. I've not done the relative comparison on two satellite channels, since my setup if 5W analogue only 13/19.2E digital only. Maybe someone with both Analogue and Digital could do a quick comparison say on Fr2 on 5W and ZDF on 19.2E....

I'd be curious..

-cts

 

[tyshaunty]

Any satellite transmitted national channel will almost certainly suffer a delay, as they probably suffer the same number of hops to reach you.

An inclined orbit means that the satellite does not follow a perfect orbit and you need to be able to move your dish off the standard clarke belt arc to receive it.

Thats great, thanks

I've made a donation

Cheers

 

[tyshaunty]

FTA French (Analogue), Point your Dish at 5W you'll get:
TF1, Fr2, Fr3, Canal+, Arte/Fr5 and M6

FTA French (Digital), Point your Dish at 5W you'll get:
Fr2,Fr3,Fr4,Fr5,Arte,LCP

FTA Belgian (Digital), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
RTBF Sat, Liberty TV

FTA German (Analogue), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
EurosportFranceSport
1-2-3.tvGermanyTeleshopping
3satGermanyGeneral
Arte (Germany)GermanyCultural
Astro TV 8h-16h CETGermanyVoyance
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Bayerisches FernsehenGermanyRegional
Bloomberg TV DeutschlandGermanyBusiness
BR AlphaGermanyCultural
Das ErsteGermanyGeneral
DSF - Deutsches Sport FernsehenGermanySport
Hessen FernsehenGermanyRegional
Home Shopping Europe DeutschlandGermany
Kabel 1GermanyGeneralClear
KIKA - Der KinderKanalGermanyChildren
MDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
MTV GermanyGermanyMusic
MTV POPGermanyMusic
n-tvGermanyNews
N24GermanyNews
NDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
Neun LiveGermanyGeneral
PhoenixGermanyNews
ProSiebenGermanyGeneral
QVC GermanyGermanyTeleshopping
RBB BrandenburgGermanyRegional
RTL 2GermanyGeneral
RTL ShopGermanyTeleshopping
RTL TelevisionGermanyGeneral
Sat 1GermanyGeneral
Sonnenklar TVGermanyTravel
Super RTLGermanyGeneralClear
Südwest Fernsehen Baden-WürtembergGermanyRegional
Südwest Fernsehen Rheinland-PfalzGermanyRegional
Tele 5GermanyGeneral
TV Shop DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
TV Travel Shop Germany
VIVAGermanyMusic
VIVA PlusGermanyMusic
VOXGermanyGeneral
WDRGermanyRegional
XXP 20h-0h CETGermanyGeneral
ZDFGermanyGeneralClear

FTA German (Digital), Point your Dish at 19.2E you'll get:
ARD MHP Tests GermanyPresentations
Arte (Germany)GermanyCultural
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Astro TVGermanyVoyance
Bahn TVGermanyNews
Bayerisches Fernsehen GermanyRegional
Bibel TVGermanyReligious
Bloomberg TV DeutschlandGermanyBusiness
BR Alpha GermanyCultural
Das Erste GermanyGeneral
Deluxe MusicGermanyMusic
DSF - Deutsches Sport FernsehenGermanySport
DW-TV (Deutsche Welle)GermanyNews
Eins Extra GermanyGeneral
Eins Festival GermanyGeneral
Eins Plus GermanyGeneral
Franken SatGermanyGeneral
Hessen Fernsehen GermanyRegional
Home Shopping Europe DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
K1010GermanyPresentations
Kabel 1GermanyGeneral
KIKA - Der KinderKanalGermanyChildren
Liebevoll.tvGermanyLifestyle
Lifestyle-TVGermanyLifestyle
LokalSatGermanyRegional
MDR Fernsehen GermanyRegional
MDR SachsenGermanyRegional
MDR Sachsen-AnhaltGermanyRegional
MDR ThüringenGermanyRegional
MTV GermanyGermanyMusic
MTV POPGermanyMusic
n-tvGermanyNews
N24GermanyNews
NDR FernsehenGermanyRegional
NDR Hamburg 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
NDR Niedersachsen 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
NDR Schleswig Holstein 19h30-20hGermanyRegional
Neun LiveGermanyGeneral
ONTVGermanyRegional
Otto ShopGermanyTeleshopping
PhoenixGermanyNews
Premiere Direkt promoGermanyPresentations
Primacom PromoGermanyPresentations
ProSieben GermanyGeneral
ProSiebenGermanyGeneral
Quiz des TagesGermanyGame
QVC GermanyGermanyTeleshopping
Radio Bremen TVGermanyGeneral
Raze TVGermanyTeleshopping
RBB Berlin GermanyRegional
RBB Brandenburg GermanyRegional
Rheinmain TV 11h-23h CETGermanyRegional
RNFplusGermanyRegional
RTL 2GermanyGeneral
RTL ShopGermanyTeleshopping
RTL TelevisionGermanyGeneral
Sat 1GermanyGeneral
Sat 1 SchweizGermanyGeneral
Sat 1 ÖsterreichGermanyGeneral
Sonnenklar TVGermanyTravel
SpielekanalGermanyGame
SR Südwest FernsehenGermanyRegional
Super RTLGermanyGeneral
Südwest Fernsehen Baden-WürtembergGermanyRegional
Südwest Fernsehen Rheinland-PfalzGermanyRegional
Tele 5GermanyGeneral
Traumkontakt.tvGermanyPresentations
Traumpartner TVGermanyLifestyle
TV GustoGermanyCooking
TV Shop DeutschlandGermanyTeleshopping
TV Shop Deutschland DaytimeGermanyTeleshopping
TV Travel Shop GermanyGermanyTravel
TV.BerlinGermanyRegional
VenusClub.tvGermanyErotic
VIVAGermanyMusic
VIVA PlusGermanyMusic
VOXGermanyGeneral
VOX ÖsterreichGermanyGeneral
WDR GermanyRegional
WDRGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Aachen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Bielefeld 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Dortmund 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Düsseldorf 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Essen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Münster 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Siegen 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
WDR Studio Wuppertal 19h30-20h CETGermanyRegional
Wellenlaenge TVGermanyPresentations
XXPGermanyGeneral
ZDF GermanyGeneral
ZDF DokukanalGermanyDocumentaries
ZDF InfokanalGermanyDocumentaries
ZDF Theaterkanal GermanyTheater

I could go on with the Austrian/Italian listings, but you get the idea. There are LOTS! I take no credit for lifting these channel lists from h**p://www.kingofsat.net....

Your 80cm dish should be good for ALL these channels if pointed in the right direction (assuming you have both an analogue and digital receiver - old analogue ones on eBay for ~£20)

Although analogue is getting less popular, I wonder whether there are relatively less delays - for example choose BBC1 analogue terrestial and BBC1 digital freeview (terestial also), there's a good 1-2secs in there. I've not done the relative comparison on two satellite channels, since my setup if 5W analogue only 13/19.2E digital only. Maybe someone with both Analogue and Digital could do a quick comparison say on Fr2 on 5W and ZDF on 19.2E....

I'd be curious..

-cts

Thats brilliant, thank you

I'll look into all of that

 

[Analoguesat]

The erasily available fta analogue channels

www.analoguesat.co.uk (wonder who that belongs to? )



For easily available fta (only) digital:

www.digitalsat.co.uk (hmm also mine!)

 

[BGonaSTICK]

Maybe a web-stream would be faster (but I doubt it).

 

[tyshaunty]

Nope, webstream isnt faster. Much slower infact

Thanks anyway

And thanks to analogue sat for the great links

 

[kallisaka]

I dont want to confuse things more but im curious about the bookmakers SiS feeds. im in bookies quite alot and they show the races from the SiS mux on Sirius 2 along with the onscreen graphics, which can be received with a fixed 60cm dish. So why do all bookies have such large dishes with inclinded tracking?

 

[Analoguesat]

I dont want to confuse things more but im curious about the bookmakers SiS feeds. im in bookies quite alot and they show the races from the SiS mux on Sirius 2 along with the onscreen graphics, which can be received with a fixed 60cm dish. So why do all bookies have such large dishes with inclinded tracking?

Because they are watching the direct feeds on the wobbly sat at 20W (before the 20W feeds it was a dilapidated and very wobbly sat at 21.5E)