My first toroidal 90 multi dish install with 20 lnbs

[bakanach]

2Bakanach!
If you are only looking for 13E, 19E, 28E and 42E and max 3 receivers than you should change LNBs from single to Quad and get 3 Diseqc 1/4. For terrestrial reception it is better to have separate cable from antenna to terrestrial receiver. And FM radio is good for car not for apartment or house.

Edit: Picture attached

Thanks a lot RimaNTSS for your quick reply.
Unfortunately I will have one cable for each room, I was planning to install Quattro LNB but too many cable coming down the roof
Any other suggestion?

 

[Huevos]

Thanks a lot RimaNTSS for your quick reply.
Unfortunately I will have one cable for each room, I was planning to install Quattro LNB but too many cable coming down the roof
Any other suggestion?

The proper way to do this is 4x quattro LNBs (one for each satellite) and a 17/8 multi-switch. That still means lots of cables though (one from each room to the multi-switch, and 16 from the LNBs to the multi-switch).

_http://www.emp-centauri.cz/pdf/P170_users_manual.pdf

 

[bakanach]

I think I will go this way! 4x Quattro + 17/8 multiswitch !
I ordered a Emitor Satlook Digital NIT ! I'll keep you posted on my project !
Cheers,
B.

 

[godzillafan]

Hi Guys

Just an update

its been raining here for the last week and no ladder since last updae

aprat from i aam at stage 1

I have 28.2 on 0 and its on 90 level

Will be updating as soon as the rain clears in the next few days

cheers

 

[mkkaczy]

Hello all
I learned a lot from this thread.
I will be installing my first T90. At the moment I have an offset 80cm dish with 7 LNBs from 4.8E, 9E, 13E (central) 16E, 19E, 23E, 28E in Inverto Multiconnect System (5 Inverto Multiconnect LNBs, 1 Inverto Premium and 1 Inverto Universal) connected to 2 Spaun SAR 411 WSG and then to by 2 cables Vu+DUO.

For the T90 I have then:
18 LNBs including:
10 Inverto Black Ultra
5 Inverto Multiconnect
1 Inverto Black Premium (twin)
1 Inverto Universal
1 Alps

5 Diseqcs including:
1 diseqc EMP 16/1
2 Spaun SAR 411 WSG Diseqc 2.0 (I think it is equal to diseqc 1.0)
2 Orbital 4/1 Diseqc 1.0

I live in south-east part of Ireland and I want to set them up for 30W-28E with 0.8W as the centre. Generally speaking I want to get as many as possible.
1) Do you think is would be better to set 2 thin Inverto Multiconnect LNBs for 10E and 9E separately, or 1 Black Ultra in middle way?
2) The LNB rail is 25* L/R. On some pictures of that configuration (30W-28E) I saw, that 23.5E was still on the rail, where on others it was out of the rail. Should it be still on rail then?
3) If I will manage to connect 18 LNBs, I will have to connect 1 Spaun 4/1 to the last LNB port on the EMP 16/1. 15 LNBs connected EMP 16/1 and 3 to SPAUN 4/1? How the switches should be set on the EMP diseqc?
I apologize for any mistakes, as English is not my firs language.

 

[Huevos]

I want to set them up for 30W-28E with 0.8W as the centre. Generally speaking I want to get as many as possible.

I think you are wasting your time. 58º of arc is just too much. But you need to experiment. 28ºE to 12.5ºW (centred on 7ºE) would be a more realistic range and give you reasonable performance on all satellites.

1) Do you think is would be better to set 2 thin Inverto Multiconnect LNBs for 10E and 9E separately, or 1 Black Ultra in middle way?
2) The LNB rail is 25* L/R. On some pictures of that configuration (30W-28E) I saw, that 23.5E was still on the rail, where on others it was out of the rail. Should it be still on rail then?
3) If I will manage to connect 18 LNBs, I will have to connect 1 Spaun 4/1 to the last LNB port on the EMP 16/1. 15 LNBs connected EMP 16/1 and 3 to SPAUN 4/1? How the switches should be set on the EMP diseqc?
I apologize for any mistakes, as English is not my firs language.

1) Two LNBs works best for me at my location (signal level is better on both satellites than was possible with a single LN, but any time spacing is less than 3º you will need to use custom or modified holders.
2) As a guide the the LNB holder bar covers about 40º of arc (changing slightly with latitude) so either end of the bar is about 20º off centre. So if you centred on 1ºW your east most satellite on the bar would be 19ºE.
3) As DiSEqC 1.1 (uncommitted), but for reliability I'd use Spaun for all your switches if you can afford it. To get to 19 LNBs you could do it a few ways. For example: 5x Spaun SUR 420 WSG & 1x Spaun SAR 411 WSG, --- or --- 2x Spaun SUR 420 WSG & 4x Spaun SAR 411 WSG

 

[OldBen]

Godzillafan, you really are trying to do a lot with a beeper.

Have you considered buying a meter? I got my satlook lite on ebay from Germany for about £130, it makes everything so much easier when the meter tells you what satellite you are on!

 

[mkkaczy]

Thank Huevos for your quick reply
Yes, 58* is much out off the rail, but 28E, 23E and 30W are quite strong satellites. I am going to make some short list with signal strength I have now on my offset dish and compare them with signal strength I will get on the T90. If on T90 will be weaker I will change it to 28E-12W as you recommended.
1) I will fix the 9E in modified/filed T90 LNB holder and then use an original Inverto Multiconnect clips which is attached to the back of the LNB. The 10E will not be in the rail holder, but attached straight to 9E then. I want to use all Multiconnect LNBs near centre, where the signal is stronger, as they are loosing signal when get wet.
3) Spauns are best diseqcs, but very expensive as well. If the EMP will brake, certainly I will change to Spaun.

 

[Huevos]

28E, 23E and 30W

To receive 30º off centre you need a 54dBW satellite. Astra 2A, 2B and Hispasat are not that powerful in your location.

 

[godzillafan]

Godzillafan, you really are trying to do a lot with a beeper.

Have you considered buying a meter? I got my satlook lite on ebay from Germany for about £130, it makes everything so much easier when the meter tells you what satellite you are on!

started with a beeper then moved to using a 14" tv with a openbox s9 on a table outside - thats the ticket

 

[godzillafan]

HI Guys

At last the weather has got much better and now a heatwave at the end of the month.

wee cousin is coming over in the morning and we will be gettig the ladders out again to have another bash at the setup.

Plan for tomorrow is to get the current 28E (setup at 0) back to its normal place with 19E on 0.

I will also be turning the dish to 104 after I have 19E and 28E tuned.

After that its 16, 13 and 9.

Once those are tuned we are going to the farest sides to see what else we can tune in without problems.

Once thing I want to check is if I get 19E at 0 - is it worth trying to tune in the furtherest sat first. In my case I guess that will be either 0.8w or 42ish E

- so if 19E tuned in at 0 and 90 level without turning - will I be able to tune in lets say 0.8W?

after that is tuned in then I turn the dish to 104?

hope that makes sense

 

[OldBen]

I am guessing its not a "meter" you can take up a ladder ;)

I remember tuning analogue like that, tighten one side of the dish white sparkles, other side black, easy now both together...

 

[godzillafan]

hi guys

latest update.

Having a nightmare!

at 90 level
moved the 28e which on 0 point on bar
replaced it with 19e
and then tuned in 28e at point 9ish right.

good singal 70+ on both

but if i turn dish to 104 i lose signal from 90

nothing else will tune on bar

and after a triple check I am just off a little by a few mms on the bar on 0. The 19e is on 0 + few mms to the left.

So not fine tuned enough or 19e is not plumb.

struggling again - what is best option?

1. take down dish and start again
2. replace tk 12s with 18? to give more space at back and turing abilility?
3. options????

can tune 2 or best i had was about 28,19,16,13 and 9 maybe luck - tried to get same results but nothing this time

please advise?

cheers

 

[Huevos]

When you skew the dish the central satellite should not move. Rima, Hakon and I all agree on this. If the central satellite moves when you skew the dish that means there is something wrong with your custom LNB bar. This is why it is essential that initial setup be done with the standard holders, and then the custom holders adjusted to match that signal strength without moving the dish whatsoever, just the custom holders. If there is something wrong with your custom bar, which is highly likely, that would explain why you are having so much trouble.

 

[godzillafan]

When you skew the dish the central satellite should not move. Rima, Hakon and I all agree on this. If the central satellite moves when you skew the dish that means there is something wrong with your custom LNB bar. This is why it is essential that initial setup be done with the standard holders, and then the custom holders adjusted to match that signal strength without moving the dish whatsoever, just the custom holders. If there is something wrong with your custom bar, which is highly likely, that would explain why you are having so much trouble.

H

You could be right, its mad one day I can tune in 5, but when I go back to 90 and then retune its gives me two sats.

The bar must be out.

I need to get some original holders from somewhere as I gave mine away

But decided to take it down and move it down a little and start again.

I know its a few small things that are causing the problems

 

[godzillafan]

Typical planned to go and redo the dish and the rains came.

Will update as soon as I next get the chance.

cheers

 

[Fano]

Any updates ?

 

[godzillafan]

Any updates ?

Sadly nothing at the moment as the weather has been well rubbish.

Waiting for a few days break of clear weather.

as soon as I have that I can get the bigger TK on there and redo everything.

of course you guys will be the first to know how I did for my 3rd attempt.

keep you posted on here

G

 

[yeshu26]

Looks good. But honestly do you get time enough to watch so much content?

Cheers

 

[godzillafan]

latest update - the weather is pants here and not had a single day when i could go up and redo the whole setup. Hope the sun will be out soon.

The sat box is all setup with all the channels lists, but only getting 28.2 at the moment. I dont want to add any more single lnbs.

I will be taking it down and adding a bigger TK and redoing the whole job, this will fix my 19 central issue.