Off Topic Chatter 2016

[Ghostleader]

Bloody wall cavity insulation paneling the local government has decided to waste money on....


That's all the scaffolding kit dumped in the downstairs neighbours front door you can see.

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This and next few Posts shifted from elsewhere after I myself took it Off Topic
Please carry on debating the ins and outs of Cavity Wall Insulation!

 

[Lazarus]

Cue the onset of mould ........

 

[Ghostleader]

Cue the onset of mould ........

That's what happened with my sisters house when she took up British gas on the offer of the cavity insulation that is the white chippens injected into the cavity space via pilot holes. Bathroom went blue mouldy like something out a slum landlord program!

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[jeallen01]

I will get back on this thread only to say that, conclusively IMHO, cavity wall or similar insulation is NOT a waste of anyone's money - including the government's (national or local) - as I know very well from personal experience. Here am I, living in a house that - 40 yrs ago - was an F-ing iceberg because it had 9" solid brick walls and virtually no insulation at all, and yet, now, with a lot of interior and exterior insulation having been added (mostly at my own cost and personal hard work, but also with £3.5k 18 months from the government for some exterior wall insulation), I am sitting here writing this post, but now wearing shorts and a shirt, because the temperature is around 24C, and won't drop to much below 21-22C overnight without keeping the heating on even though it will probably be down to 5-7C outside! .

I could have chosen not to spend all that money and do all that work, but I would have then "frozen" for years and spent a lot more money on the heating bills (which would have been roughly 2-3x higher than they are now).

Bear in mind that many people are still forced to live in houses with a (lack of!) insulation like mine was 40 yrs ago, and so they are spending far more than they can really afford just to try to stay even "relatively" warm - and that does not help "Global Warming" either.

Enough said, I think - goodnight !

PS to Lazarus and others: never had a trace of mould in this house (unless it was on the cheese I love!) in the years since the various levels of insulation have been added. Do it right and that does not happen!

 

[Lazarus]

@jeallen01

Our application for free CWI was rejected after survey owing to the stone built frontage of our property. Apparently the irregular nature of the cavity means that uniform fill of insulating material cannot be achieved and there is a high risk of mould .... I was sceptical about this, even after looking through the boroscope myself, but researched it later and found that the advice given was indeed correct.

 

[battenfan]

In broadcasting we have had problems with drug addicts (we call them tweekers) stealing the copper wiring and hard line coax (all copper) at remote broadcast sites, putting things in conduit helped, until they started carrying hack saws, then we had to go with larger conduit with chrome-molly tubing inside, (very hard stuff and at accessible areas only) then thin wall conduit with the cables inside of that, the chrome-molly tubing was allowed to float inside the larger conduit, when they started to hack into it, all chrome-molly would do would rotate, you could not cut into it, by that time the cops where there. (CCTV systems)

This was expensive but it beat the cost of replacing the hard lines every month or so.

http://blog.level3.com/level-3-network/the-10-most-bizarre-and-annoying-causes-of-fiber-cuts/

 

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@scopus

 

[Terryl]

Yes fiber does have it's problems, but the only thing wrong with someone trying to steal the copper hard lines is having to wait for the coroner's team to remove all the bits of the body after he/she try's to cut into an 8 inch hard line carrying 100 kW of RF, the broadcasters get a bit mad when they are off the air for several hours wile the hazmat team sweep's up the body parts. (you just can't use a garden hose anymore)

And back to the cavity insulation, on outside paneling replacement we always use to install, replace or add to the insulation when ever possible, then wrap the house in the new IR reflective film that has come out in the last few years, when I re-did the house boat siding I wrapped it with that stuff, MAN what a difference in inside to outside temperature drop.

It was 105 F (40.5 C) outside and 84 F (29.4 C) inside, (with fans running) it sure cut down on the IR thermal conductivity, the direct Sun temp is brutal around here.

And the moldy shower was more then likely a lack of a proper vapor barrier.

 

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[Archive-8]

Just my luck, I have found another stitch the nurse missed....

Beginning to wonder why I went to see her, seeing as I have taken more out than she did :mad:

Now I have a stitch hanging out of my leg, that won't pull out

 

[Archive-8]

Had a knock at the door, earlier on,

it was the woman from up the road (she used to be the carer of the old woman next door)

Asking me to have a look at the garage roof on the bungalow next door.

I obliged and took a look with her, and then she asked me if the leaking roof, was anything to do with me! As it was fine, before I had my roof repaired!

When I said that I hadn't been up there, she turned around and said well your tradesmen then, as they are not all what they seem!

And then she was moaning that the sons of the old lady had to drop the price of the bungalow, due to a leaking roof.

When I asked her how much is it on the market for now then, she shoved me out the door.

 

[Ghostleader]

Had a knock at the door, earlier on,

it was the woman from up the road (she used to be the carer of the old woman next door)

Asking me to have a look at the garage roof on the bungalow next door.

I obliged and took a look with her, and then she asked me if the leaking roof, was anything to do with me! As it was fine, before I had my roof repaired!

When I said that I hadn't been up there, she turned around and said well your tradesmen then, as they are not all what they seem!

And then she was moaning that the sons of the old lady had to drop the price of the bungalow, due to a leaking roof.

When I asked her how much is it on the market for now then, she shoved me out the door.

Bloody cheeky c*w![emoji52]

 

[Archive-8]

Bloody cheeky c*w![emoji52]

The best bit is, she was only the hired help for the old woman, but she rents a bungalow up the road.

Next doors roof hasn't been touched for 30+ years!

 

[Ghostleader]

She sounds a right "Fud" as we say up here mate, she should mind her own business the nosey fecker.

 

[Archive-8]

She sounds a right "Fud" as we say up here mate, she should mind her own business the nosey fecker.

That's my point exactly.

 

[RimaNTSS]

There was Tech exhibition in Riga last 3 days. Lots of interesting stuff like power-tools, metalwork, welding etc. Endowed every minute I spent there today.

 

[jeallen01]

There was Tech exhibition in Riga last 3 days. Lots of interesting stuff like power-tools, metalwork, welding etc. Endowed every minute I spent there today.

I think you meant "enjoyed", not "endowed"! - either that or you have a LOT of money to graciously give away to "deserving causes";)

PS: Wondered where this thread had "gone to"

PPS: as Terryl said further up the thread, vapour barriers are a very important part of the adding of insulation - made sure that was in-place when I added internal solid wall insulation 30+ years ago, and have never had any condensation apart from a little on kitchen windows when cooking and bathroom windows when having a bath.

 

[skomedal]

I think you meant "enjoyed", not "endowed"! - either that or you have a LOT of money to graciously give away to "deserving causes";)

Multinational forum

Not all members english fluent, but we get the general gist.

Regards

 

[jeallen01]

That's what happened with my sisters house when she took up British gas on the offer of the cavity insulation that is the white chippens injected into the cavity space via pilot holes. Bathroom went blue mouldy like something out a slum landlord program!

skomedal

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As I just said, vapour barriers are/can be very important! OTOH, when I had rockwool fibre insulation injected into a cavity-walled house in the 1980s without any additional barriers, I then never had condensation issues after that - although I certainly did have them before the insulation was installed and so the installation must have been of very good quality.

Therefore, IMHO, if someone is having condensation problems after the insulation is installed, it is either an issue with the quality of the installation because there are then specific coldspots AND/OR that the occupier is generating a lot of humidity (cooking, washing, etc.), AND/OR " because something" in the plumbing is leaking water inside the property. Having a window open a bit during the day can help, but not that much.
PS: your signature was my "opportunity" !

@jeallen01
Our application for free CWI was rejected after survey owing to the stone built frontage of our property. Apparently the irregular nature of the cavity means that uniform fill of insulating material cannot be achieved and there is a high risk of mould .... I was sceptical about this, even after looking through the boroscope myself, but researched it later and found that the advice given was indeed correct.

Lazarus

Good internal vapour barriers + a comparatively thin (20mm or so - that's what I fitted in the 70s/80s) layer of internal insulation should have been recommended and then that would have dealt with that deficiency because it would have prevented the possible internal very cold spots where condensation could form. EXPERIENCE counts, and I think that I do have that

 

[jeallen01]

Multinational forum View attachment 100966

Not all members english fluent, but we get the general gist.

Regards

skomedal

I just could not resist "pointing out" the irony of the slight misuse of the English language because it was very amusing - OTOH, when I was at Leeds Uni in the late 1960s, it took me 3 months to begin to understand "broad Geordie", having been accustomed to Southern England "English" upto to that point (Was not only "foreigners" that didn't talk "English" English then ;))