poor Freesat in Alicante, Costa Blanca 2.4m Fortec Star dish

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First of all can i thank you guys as this forum as helped me no end in getting me set up down here in Benidorm with tv, I cant knock the fortec star dish, ok its a budget dish but its getting me bbc1 and itv right up till 22/23.00 hrs. Sorry to hijack the thread but can anyone tell me the strongest itv region signal for a free sat receiver ive just brought down from the UK

Hi yorks62,

I would like to hear your opinion about the fortec star dish, and also would like to know what are you getting from the Astra 2D in this dish, i am about to get one and put it up to try to watch freesat.

Also would like to know until what time you can watch which channels on this dish....

Many thanks in advance

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joddle said:
Hi all - up until last night I had a 2.4m fortecstar dish on my roof here in Valencia - Last night the 160km p hr wind took it away and folded it up for me ................


thanks for the post... was surprised at the wind speed over there .. 170km/h /100+ ml/h ... did think of those dishes there ..


anyway... did you do any strengthening
 

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neoandy said:
Hi yorks62,

I would like to hear your opinion about the fortec star dish, and also would like to know what are you getting from the Astra 2D in this dish, i am about to get one and put it up to try to watch freesat.

Also would like to know until what time you can watch which channels on this dish....

Many thanks in advance

Andy.
Hi - despite my critisism of the fortecstar I know there are a few people who have had reasonable success - look for posts by Syd Eccles on the Digital Spy Forum - he seems to be more in your area AND he claims good results although he has put in a loads of extra work to get the dish up to scratch and performing well - but it seems if you are prepared to build the dish properly and take great care with making sure it is true then it will give some decent results. I must admit when I had more time I spent ages on the dish tweeking and adjusting and did get reasonable results at times - BUT - I had to keep doing it every time there was a strong wind and in the end I just could not be bothered and over time the performace simply worsened. Remember you are in one of the very worst reception areas in the whole of Spain and people around you with very good dishes still have problems - so don't ecxpect too much from a Fortecstar - especially with the weaker Freesat channels. - Good luck... and make sure yours is true and undamaged when you get it - mine was pretty battered in its case when it arrived and had to be returned !!
 

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I have posted this on another forum but it is relevant to this thread as well.

As many of you will have read I struggled with a Fortecstar 2.4 m dish for over four years now. Here in Valencia the best reception I could get from it was to hold onto ITV3 until about 9:30pm and BBC3 until about 8:15. However every time there was a decent wind the dish would change shape or get out of alignment and the reception would fall so I had to go up on the roof with a TV and digibox and readjust for max signal quality. Over the past 12 months I got so fed up of this I did nothing to correct the dish after high winds and by earlier this year was losing even ITV3 at 6:30pm.

Of course I have been contemplating upgrading the dish for ages but finances and lack of will stopped it happening – that is until the gales earlier on this year tore the dish from its mounts and trashed it. A new dish therefore became essential. But which one and what size?

After getting much very good and helpful advice and guidance from many people on this and other forums (many thanks folks) I have a new one piece dish – again 2.4m but now very very firmly attached to a huge block of concrete but in exactly the same location as the old Fortecstar. I must say it certainly looks neater and much more substantial than the old dish but the real question is “Is its performance that much better”? And the answer to that is a resounding YES:

In fact it is so different it’s almost unbelievable. For the first time ever since I have been in Spain I appear to have virtual 24 hour coverage of ALL the Freesat channels including the so called difficult ones such as BBC 2,3 & 4; & ITV 2,3 &4. Even in dark heavy cloud and with very heavy rain I only lost a little quality for Cbeebies for about 10 minutes or so but it did not collapse but did pixelate a little. At midnight yesterday I could not find any Freesat channel that dropped out or failed. And when I connected up my Humax Freesat box in non-freesat mode it managed to find over 800 channels!!! – I will have to sort them out later.

So now my basic setup is the new 2.4 dish, and Invacom quad LNB, Pace C2600 - the Humax will come back out again once I get a TV capable of HD.

Just as an indication of how much improvement I have had, here are a few quality readings taken on the Pace 2600 on average reception days on both the dishes

On Sky default transponder
Fortecstar daytime 60% night 40%
New dish daytime 80% night 60%

12129 (Suggested default for Spain but I don’t actually use this)
Fortecstar daytime 60% night 40%
New dish daytime 100% night 70%

10906V ( ITV3 - ITV3+1)
Fortecstar Daytime 50% night 0 to 20% (dep on weather)
New dish Datime 90% night 60%

10773H For BBC2,3 & 4
Fortecstar daytime 50% night 0%
New dish daytime 90% night 60%

11224V Movies for Men
Fortecstar daytime 50% night 0%
New dish daytime 90% night 60%

Now if anyone asks about a Fortecstar dish for use in this area – I will tell them - DON’T DO IT. Spend a bit more and save yourself a load of grief and frustration.

Also use the forums to get advice – and remember not all what you read is true – notr is all you get told by the installers - especially when it comes to dish types and their properties. Yes cheap dishes are to be avoided BUT the Famaval is not the only decent 2.4 out there. Ask around and ask to see what you are being offered. The time taken will pay you in the end.
 

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hi joddle..

glad to hear you got it sorted ...

so what make is the new dish and how much was it ... where from.. that might help others there..
 

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pedro2000uk said:
hi joddle..

glad to hear you got it sorted ...

so what make is the new dish and how much was it ... where from.. that might help others there..

Hi Pedro - yes it is good to have it sorted after so long.
I asked for quotes from all the installers recommended on this and another forum plus several I had sourced from the web. The quotes were much of a muchness all at around 1300euros for supply and fit a 2,4M dish. The choice really became one of confidence in the company and I got some of that by talking to the guys concerned to find out why I should use them. Some come out with some utter crap but others were very knowledgeable but few knew of the correct size of dish to use in Valencia. I also got very useful local knowledge from some forum members.

In the end I used a company called Base Satellite - surprisingly they did not advocate the Famaval dish but claimed they had a source of Turkish dishes which actually performs better than the Famaval - and that to me seemed contrary to all the advice I had read so I did some more research and found out the dishes they use are not the flimsy ones you see on the DSS website but a much more rugged item. When I saw the dish it was clear the support ring was indeed a very strong and rugged affair. I also had a recommendation for this installer from a very well respected forum member. What swayed me was the attention to detail this company appeared to pay from the outset. The owner was keen to answer all and any questions and took note of the issues I raised regarding my own location and expectations.

Eventually the dish was installed by Gary using a cast concrete block as a base with the support mast firmly embedded within the concrete. No chance of that ever shifting. The tuning of the dish was then performed by their guy called Carlos who spent about half an hour adjusting the perimeter of the dish and the LNB to maximize the reponse - which was as I reported earlier was a huge improvement on my previous 2.4.

The dish has now weathered its first gale without a single shimmer of the quality readings - unlike its predecessor and I must say I am very contented with it.
 

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joddle said:
they did not advocate the Famaval dish but claimed they had a source of Turkish dishes which actually performs better than the Famaval - and that to me seemed contrary to all the advice I had read so I did some more research and found out the dishes they use are not the flimsy ones you see on the DSS website but a much more rugged item.
Everyone's dish out performs the competition's when they're in sales mode. After making a sale I used to say to a workmate of mine "It sounded so good I almost bought it myself". To be honest I can't see an installer having the time, equipment or inclination to do a proper repeatable scientific test that would show the 0.1 of a DB difference there might be between these dishes.
joddle said:
When I saw the dish it was clear the support ring was indeed a very strong and rugged affair.
Everything is a rugged affair compared to the Fortec Star. By the way is that the dish with the hole in the centre? Could you post some photos?
joddle said:
the dish was installed by Gary using a cast concrete block as a base with the support mast firmly embedded within the concrete. No chance of that ever shifting.
The only problem with that approach is you could never switch to a polar mount if you wanted to as the pole is not adjustable, seams to be par for the course on the Costas though.
 

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A few points re the above post - I doubt I will ever want a polar mount - only interested in 2d and keeping the kids happy with UK mainstream channels.

Also well aware that there is probably no real diference in some of the dishes - but this one works well and that's the main thing.

Was not comparing the ring mount with my Fortecstar but with the ones listed on the DSS website described as being flimsy.

Glad to upload a couple of pics - not easy to get a good shot though due to the location.

Anyway the only message I really wanted to get though is if on the Costs Blanca don't get a fortecstar :)
 

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sounds a very good result, especially the result in a gale there ....

I think we might be looking at some 2.4s from Turkey... not sure what make yet.. sounds like them

cheers..


just seen your pictures.. looks all right ..
 

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very nice result and very good decision for the dish,just wanted to point out ,the actual dish you have is not turkish but Bulgarian from a company called Pasat and supplied by TECATEL in spain,Base from Benissa got lots of fame using this dish because it holds more time for the horizontal low channels ,in this case BBC2...etc,this is a real 2.40m Prime focus Dish the Famous Famaval is 10CM less,i´v opend a thread about Pasat dish here ---->http://www.satellites.co.uk/satelli...te-installations/143904-pasat-2-40m-dish.html ,from my many tests the best Feed Horn for this dish if Invacom quad is used is the original Invacom ADF120 ,if MTI AP8TW or Inverto Flange (single or twin) used ,XM140 from swedish microwave works very good too...best regards
 

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this is a real 2.40m Prime focus Dish the Famous Famaval is 10CM less
How does it compare with the Famaval on price? (Famaval is around 600€).
 

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i would say more less around the same prices,sometimes you find famaval more expensive just because the massive publicity they have given to the dish
 

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Here is just a sample how fantastic the Freesat Humax FOXSAT HD is ,i was doing some raw tests right now and making some differences between the Blind scan receiver VANTAGE and FOXHD ,,

Humax did lock perfectly with BBC1 and can see some BBC2 signs ,on vantage just BBC 1 very instable and no BBC2 at all ,(tested on Gibertini OP1.50)..but i can see that the signal is improving more and more..tonight,would be intersting to see what you guys with the same dish doing in our area
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all gone now:(..BBC2 just lasted 25min ,BBC1 more then 1hour
 

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pipino said:
very nice result and very good decision for the dish,just wanted to point out ,the actual dish you have is not turkish but Bulgarian from a company called Pasat and supplied by TECATEL in spain,Base from Benissa got lots of fame using this dish because it holds more time for the horizontal low channels ,in this case BBC2...etc,this is a real 2.40m Prime focus Dish the Famous Famaval is 10CM less,i´v opend a thread about Pasat dish here ---->http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/picture-members-setups-general-satellite-installations/143904-pasat-2-40m-dish.html ,from my many tests the best Feed Horn for this dish if Invacom quad is used is the original Invacom ADF120 ,if MTI AP8TW or Inverto Flange (single or twin) used ,XM140 from swedish microwave works very good too...best regards

It seems from this remark posted recently that the dish is not actually Turkish after all.
 

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all gone now:(..BBC2 just lasted 25min ,BBC1 more then 1hour

well last night (first time i tried it for a few weeks!) i had bbc2,3,4 all night..on my 1.8 and 2600 just up the road from you...something that occurs very rarely (maybe for 10-20 days a year)...so for whatever reason the signal for 2dHs was strong last night and may be a "unreliable" test benchmark.
 

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neoandy said:
Hi yorks62,

I would like to hear your opinion about the fortec star dish, and also would like to know what are you getting from the Astra 2D in this dish, i am about to get one and put it up to try to watch freesat.

Also would like to know until what time you can watch which channels on this dish....

Many thanks in advance

Andy.

I cant fault it, I really cant, Still getting BBC1 untill after 11pm but now got ITV1, & all the channel 4s 24hrs a day thanks to this site, If anyone can post a photo for me you will all have a laugh as its sat here on a pallet with a kerb stone to weigh it down and a rachet strap just in case it decides to have a wander, I have a large van so spent a lot of time since the last gales delivering 2.4 dishes for a guy down here and cant believe what people are paying out for a decent set up O well im happy thats the main thing all for £155 all in.
 

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just up the road from you....

hi m8,where is up the road from me? thanx
 

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hi m8,where is up the road from me? thanx
apols for not replying sooner...been out realigning dishes due to thursdays winds!
Gandia
 

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pipino said:
(tested on Gibertini OP1.50)..but i can see that the signal is improving more and more..tonight,would be intersting to see what you guys with the same dish doing in our area
These are from midday today. I'll have another look tonight. The first is a SatCatcher, the second one a Darkbox. I've got a Pace 2600 coming in a couple of weeks so it will be interesting to see if there's much improvement.
 

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