Advice Needed Low Symbol Rate Dutch Radio feeds on 16°E

Satfaca said:
All three streams still here as before (see my post #103)

12.538,5 H Joe FM Vlaanderen (SID 25599)
12.539 H Q-Music Vlaanderen (SID 21438)
12.539,5 H Q-Music Amsterdam/Nederland (SID 21411)

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Hm, just been listening to these stations ... as I hear it, it is like this:

12.538,5 H Q Music Vlaanderen (SID 25599)
12.539 H Joe FM Vlaanderen (SID 21438)
12.539,5 H Joe FM Amsterdam/Nederland (SID 21411)

So, the CH IDs don't match.
 
Satfaca said:
Hm, just been listening to these stations ... as I hear it, it is like this:

12.538,5 H Q Music Vlaanderen (SID 25599)
12.539 H Joe FM Vlaanderen (SID 21438)
12.539,5 H Joe FM Amsterdam/Nederland (SID 21411)

So, the CH IDs don't match.
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At this time all three streams run completely the same program/music.
 
On 12536 is Joe FM, with a different program, and on the other two frequencies is Q Music broadcasting the same program.
 
Question for our Dutch/Belgian friends ... do Q-Music & Joe FM complement their programmes?
Do I assume correct that their playlists differ only sometimes?
 
Satfaca said:
Question for our Dutch/Belgian friends ... do Q-Music & Joe FM complement their programmes?
Do I assume correct that their playlists differ only sometimes?
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Seems to be much better and a very good quality of music.
 
I can lock Q-music, but not the others. Unfortunately, the frequency reported by others is incorrect.
Q-music is in QPSK (not PSK8) and at frequency 12541.5.

I locked this with tbs6916, which can lock low symbol rate mixes if they are sufficiently isolated.
This one is really tricky.





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deeptho said:
the frequency reported by others is incorrect.
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This statement is incorrect. The little offsets between us only come from different LNB LOFs so a couple of hunderds of kHz difference is normal.
My locks screenshots here haven't been made by AI and show three different streams.
I do listen to all three of them on both PC (TBS6983) & E2 receiver.

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Joe Vlaanderen.webp Joe Vlaanderen2.webp

Joe Nederland.webp Joe Nederland2.webp
 
Satfaca said:
Question for our Dutch/Belgian friends ... do Q-Music & Joe FM complement their programmes?
Do I assume correct that their playlists differ only sometimes?
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I can now securely claim that some parts of the day all three radios share common programming while most of the late afternoon & evening they all have their very own.
 
deeptho said:
I can lock Q-music, but not the others. Unfortunately, the frequency reported by others is incorrect.
Q-music is in QPSK (not PSK8) and at frequency 12541.5.

I locked this with tbs6916, which can lock low symbol rate mixes if they are sufficiently isolated.
This one is really tricky.





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I find when you are trying to lock these narrow signals the only way you know if the frequency is "correct" is if you have a GPSDO LNBF + Reciever or other calibrated instrument.
Between my Ku LNBs I have a pretty accurate Bullseye one (TCXO PLL) but the others can be upto 2Mhz out depending on temperature. I find the use of a spectrum analyser / SDR allows you to find a nearby know referance and then use this to find the reported centre frequency to use . However if the reciever / card is not locked / calibrated the frequency is different again!! I also find my TBS5927 is better at finding signals if I tune low and it will search and lock better in and upward direction.
I find this part of the challange, after all I am sure it is available on the internet with a lot less effort!

Happy hunting
 
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Joolz said:
I find when you are trying to lock these narrow signals the only way you know if the frequency is "correct" is if you have a GPSDO LNBF + Reciever or other calibrated instrument.
Between my Ku LNBs I have a pretty accurate Bullseye one (TCXO PLL) but the others can be upto 2Mhz out depending on temperature. I find the use of a spectrum analyser / SDR allows you to find a nearby know referance and then use this to find the reported centre frequency to use . However if the reciever / card is not locked / calibrated the frequency is different again!! I also find my TBS5927 is better at finding signals if I tune low and it will search and lock better in and upward direction.
I find this part of the challange, after all I am sure it is available on the internet with a lot less effort!

Happy hunting
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Both are on 23E, easily obtainable..
 
deeptho said:
I can lock Q-music, but not the others. Unfortunately, the frequency reported by others is incorrect.
Q-music is in QPSK (not PSK8) and at frequency 12541.5.

I locked this with tbs6916, which can lock low symbol rate mixes if they are sufficiently isolated.
This one is really tricky.





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I've just given them another go on my TBS6903X, they all lock for me but I have to be quite exact with the frequencies for them all to work (based on what I find in the blindscan for my LNB in NeumoDVB ). They're quite tightly packed together!

I get them on -

12541.06 - SID 25599 / APID 111 : Joe Belgium (Flanders)
12541.56 - SID 21438 / APID 101 : Qmusic Belgium (Flanders)
12542.06 - SID 21411 - QNL AMS / APID 101 : Qmusic Netherlands

12542.06 also has a service label for JOE AMS, but there's no audio PID for this one - no sound is being carried for it on the mux.

Others finding stations in a different order to what they expect must be because of tuners not necessarily always locking to the expected one of the three when doing a scan.
 
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Hi Victor,

I receive on my TBS 5927 PC receiver this signals (Radio 538 and Joe) on Eutelsat 16° East. Dedicated (as backup) for FM transmitters here in the Netherlands.

Frequency is: DVB-S, 10.955,68 GHz, H , Symbolrate 355, FEC 2/3.
 
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