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[saj1985]

hey peeps just a quick update,
i've ordered the skybox f5s and a quad inverto black ultra lnb,
im thinking of also getting the tm5402hd,
i've never had a technomate and it sounds like a cracking box,
so im very tempted with that,
still not sure what to do in regards to the dish,
but im now thinking a 1 meter quality dish like gibertini, triax or orbital will be better then a generic 1.2m dish

the skybox f5s has apparently got the latest firmware,
so i guess i should be able to connect the box up and start scanning away, right?

my dm800se locks signals at about 30% snr,
anyone got an idea as to what % the skybox locks at?

thanks a lot for all your help peeps, i really appreciate it!

 

[pontiend]

I would forget the triax saj.I have one apart from being a nightmare to set the elevation. It actually only measures 97cm x87cm. My 100cm orbital is much better.

 

[digi247]

The Triax TD110 is slightly larger than the Orbital and Gibertini 104cm but as stated above the Elevation mount is a nightmare once it is weathered for a few months and you may need to do a fine adjustment where as both the orbital and Gibertini have a far better adjustment system.

Cannot comment on the Skybox range as i have only ever seen them in action on a fixed 28.2° east setup but the TM5402HD is a great receiver and very easy to add softcam and keys manually, its only downfall is the cut off point for breakup but this also depends on the SR and FEC used on the Transponder

 

[saj1985]

I would forget the triax saj.I have one apart from being a nightmare to set the elevation. It actually only measures 97cm x87cm. My 100cm orbital is much better.

yea i heard its quiet bad the bracket, did you get the orbital after the triax or before?

The Triax TD110 is slightly larger than the Orbital and Gibertini 104cm but as stated above the Elevation mount is a nightmare once it is weathered for a few months and you may need to do a fine adjustment where as both the orbital and Gibertini have a far better adjustment system.

Cannot comment on the Skybox range as i have only ever seen them in action on a fixed 28.2° east setup but the TM5402HD is a great receiver and very easy to add softcam and keys manually, its only downfall is the cut off point for breakup but this also depends on the SR and FEC used on the Transponder

with the triax i get the impression its a solid dish in all weather conditions,
even with the bad bracket a lot of peeps seem to have the triax,
you think its the price that sways them towards that as oppose to the gibertini/orbital?

the break up on the tm5402 is that with dvb-s2 , dvb-s or both?

thanks for replying peeps!

 

[pontiend]

I had the triax given.It works well for the strong satellites like 28East but for fringe satellites, it is a sod to get the elevation spot on.My friend bought a 100cm orbital.I was impressed with it so got one myself,But of course every time you get a bigger dish new weaker transponders come into view.I now watch ebay for a 1.2 dish." not Triax". If you like looking for weak transponders on fringe satellites I would say get the biggest dish that the missus will let you get away with.

 

[gibertini]

if you can afford it go with the gibertini 1m or orbital if not. if you are getting someone in to do the dish then the triax is a good performer and will last a while. i guess people go for the triax due to cost/size ratio as its listed as 110cm and is cheaper than the gibby and the same as the orbital 1m steel. the triax is a nightmare as when you release the elevation bracket enough so you can move it theres too much lateral movement aswell. its a poor design imo that lets down a good all round dish otherwise

 

[sonnetpete]

Just to back up what's been said about the Triax. It's elevation adjustment is acceptable if the dish is mounted in a position where it's easily accessible and you can grow a third hand to hold the meter while the other two move the dish. Once set up it's a good dish but the lack of fine adjustment lets it down badly. Personally, if you are content to stick to a 1M dish I'd go with a Gibertini.

 

[pontiend]

I found that to get the elivation right.I would loosen the bracket just enough to slide the dish.Get the best quality reading.Then lower the dish slightly the signal goes down a bit.Now when I tighten the bracket the elivation rises hopefully back to the strongest signal. As said above it is not a bad dish once set up properly.Mine is a so called 1 meter one. not 110.
In fact it is going back up at the other end of my shed, hopefully to see round a tree that is blocking my orbital from anything past 46 East.

Edit I must say that my TD88 sometimes surprises me. On some satellites and transponders the signal is as good as the orbital, using the same TM5402 reciever. But it gets nothing from satellites like 7.3 West.The orbital dose.

 

[Captain Jack]

you shouldn't have any issues with Eutelsat 7W @ 7.3W - it's strong-ish satellite and very doable on an 80cm dish.

 

[pontiend]

The TD88 has been up there 7 years.I knew nothing about the dodgy elivation bracket then.So I would be surprised if the elivation is anywhere near spot on. Since my stroke four years ago I cannot get up there to look at it.

A bit extra.The dish has moved over the years.
My latitude is 1.49 west.
My reciever is set to 0.6 west for best reception.

 

[hexah]

I have said harsh things about the Triax elevation bracket and still I will say it, it is a total pain in the neck.

However once it is set and you have marvelled at all those rude words you had forgotten until then, it stays put in the worst weather. It has an extra hole in the bracket so you can add a nut and bolt to increase the rigidity of the mount.

There are a lot of above the gutter Triax installs. In fact I think that most of the above gutter motorized installs in this country are Triax and they survive the harshest weather. If anything goes wrong it is unlikely to be the dish.

So I would buy another one. You just have to be aware it will drive you up the wall but once set properly it stays there.

 

[saj1985]

I had the triax given.It works well for the strong satellites like 28East but for fringe satellites, it is a sod to get the elevation spot on.My friend bought a 100cm orbital.I was impressed with it so got one myself,But of course every time you get a bigger dish new weaker transponders come into view.I now watch ebay for a 1.2 dish." not Triax". If you like looking for weak transponders on fringe satellites I would say get the biggest dish that the missus will let you get away with.

regardless of bracket, its not that bad for free then yea lol!

if you can afford it go with the gibertini 1m or orbital if not. if you are getting someone in to do the dish then the triax is a good performer and will last a while. i guess people go for the triax due to cost/size ratio as its listed as 110cm and is cheaper than the gibby and the same as the orbital 1m steel. the triax is a nightmare as when you release the elevation bracket enough so you can move it theres too much lateral movement aswell. its a poor design imo that lets down a good all round dish otherwise

Just to back up what's been said about the Triax. It's elevation adjustment is acceptable if the dish is mounted in a position where it's easily accessible and you can grow a third hand to hold the meter while the other two move the dish. Once set up it's a good dish but the lack of fine adjustment lets it down badly. Personally, if you are content to stick to a 1M dish I'd go with a Gibertini.

i think my generic dish is classed as one of those nightmare dishes with awkward bracket when you tighten an loosen it and it dont half pee me off lol

you shouldn't have any issues with Eutelsat 7W @ 7.3W - it's strong-ish satellite and very doable on an 80cm dish.

dont that depend on location? or you just mean generally captain?

I have said harsh things about the Triax elevation bracket and still I will say it, it is a total pain in the neck.

However once it is set and you have marvelled at all those rude words you had forgotten until then, it stays put in the worst weather. It has an extra hole in the bracket so you can add a nut and bolt to increase the rigidity of the mount.

There are a lot of above the gutter Triax installs. In fact I think that most of the above gutter motorized installs in this country are Triax and they survive the harshest weather. If anything goes wrong it is unlikely to be the dish.

So I would buy another one. You just have to be aware it will drive you up the wall but once set properly it stays there.

from what i've read it seems like a solid dish especially for the bad weather,
and i think you make a good point about a lot of triax dishes being over the gutter

i got the quad inverto ultra black delivered today,
ive wired up the extra connection for the skybox so when it gets delivered its a matter of connecting it,
i've cut two smallish pieces of coax cable and put on a f connector on the ends of them,
have connected them to the two spare slots on the quad lnb,
to make sure no water enters into the lnb,
only reason i got the quad is to give me some options in the future if i decide i want to get the technomate or even a pc card...

i need to realign my dish and tweak it,
the first impressions i've got from the quad lnb is that its maybe not as good as the single one,
but i could be wrong because dish isnt 100% alligned,
maybe its just me lol

im hoping to go to some satellite shops to see what they have got to offer,
might go tomorrow with a mate if we get the chance,
i wont be surprised even if i got 1.2m meter unknown brand or a quality 1 meter dish,
still undecided to be honest....

 

[pontiend]

It is a decent Dish saj,it is just that on fringe satellites the elivation needs to be spot on.I fact as I have said it is going back up at the other end of my shed.

 

[saj1985]

It is a decent Dish saj,it is just that on fringe satellites the elivation needs to be spot on.I fact as I have said it is going back up at the other end of my shed.

so is the orbital your main dish?
where you planning to point the triax dish towards?

 

[pontiend]

My TM 5402HD is normally connected to my TD88.The Alien 2 to the orbital.I swap them round with AB switches.I mostly scan with the TM.The orbital can see 45W to 46E.The TD88 61.5W to 57E.So I swop them about.On fringe satellites the orbital is better.but the TD88 gets most things.

That is not quite right.I scan feed transponders with the TM.I do normal scans with the Alien2,Because it has up to date transponder lists installed.
Packing in now. Four cans down starting to go on a bit.Bed time.

 

[Captain Jack]

Plenty of 1.2m Channel Masters on eBay...quality dishes.

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[hexah]

im hoping to go to some satellite shops to see what they have got to offer,
might go tomorrow with a mate if we get the chance,
i wont be surprised even if i got 1.2m meter unknown brand or a quality 1 meter dish,
still undecided to be honest....

The thing about 1.2m dishes is that they vary in size. The Channel Master dish is better than most 1.2m dishes but then it is 120 x 130cm and most 1.2m dishes are 110 x 120cm. So if you get a big 1.2m that measures 120x 130cm then you will have similar performance to the Channel Master. It won't be as robust as the Channel Master even so you would expect maybe 20 years out if it if you take good care of it.

 

[saj1985]

My TM 5402HD is normally connected to my TD88.The Alien 2 to the orbital.I swap them round with AB switches.I mostly scan with the TM.The orbital can see 45W to 46E.The TD88 61.5W to 57E.So I swop them about.On fringe satellites the orbital is better.but the TD88 gets most things.

That is not quite right.I scan feed transponders with the TM.I do normal scans with the Alien2,Because it has up to date transponder lists installed.
Packing in now. Four cans down starting to go on a bit.Bed time.

that alien STB any good?

Plenty of 1.2m Channel Masters on eBay...quality dishes.

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ive read that CM dish is very heavy and im not keen on getting actuator etc because i really wouldnt know where to start and it sounds quiet difficult to be honest,
ideally if i get a 1.2m dish id like to install it on my tm2600,
when i go to check out the dishes i want to have a feel for the weight of the dishes to give me an idea whether the motor will be able to handle the weight...

The thing about 1.2m dishes is that they vary in size. The Channel Master dish is better than most 1.2m dishes but then it is 120 x 130cm and most 1.2m dishes are 110 x 120cm. So if you get a big 1.2m that measures 120x 130cm then you will have similar performance to the Channel Master. It won't be as robust as the Channel Master even so you would expect maybe 20 years out if it if you take good care of it.

i'll try to remember to take a measure tape with me,
thanks for the tip mate...

 

[Captain Jack]

To be honest, it's not much different setting up an actuator. Same rules apply. Heavier duty stuff will make it much more sturdy and less chance of it flying away in a gust of wind.

If you are absolutely set on on using a DiSEqC motor, then you *could* put a Gibertini 1.25m dish on one of these if the dish is to be sited in a sheltered location. I had one on an old SG2100 motor for years without issues. I certainly wouldn't put it on on a wall as it's rather heavy!

Go for a good quality 1m I'd say. A Gibertini or a Channel Master 1m will go on a DiSEqC motor, though the CM one will need some custom bracketry made. There's also a Fibo on eBay - a very good buy indeed. And, again, you can put that on a DiSEqC motor.

 

[saj1985]

To be honest, it's not much different setting up an actuator. Same rules apply. Heavier duty stuff will make it much more sturdy and less chance of it flying away in a gust of wind.

If you are absolutely set on on using a DiSEqC motor, then you *could* put a Gibertini 1.25m dish on one of these if the dish is to be sited in a sheltered location. I had one on an old SG2100 motor for years without issues. I certainly wouldn't put it on on a wall as it's rather heavy!

Go for a good quality 1m I'd say. A Gibertini or a Channel Master 1m will go on a DiSEqC motor, though the CM one will need some custom bracketry made. There's also a Fibo on eBay - a very good buy indeed. And, again, you can put that on a DiSEqC motor.

yea i seen that one, shame its way too far though...

so i managed to pop into two satellite shops and both of them had the triax td110,
i went in shop one and got chatting to the shop owner,
i said to him that ive heard the brackets are a bit of a pain for fine adjustments and he was like no its really easy lol
to be honest he said he is low on stock of dishes and was waiting for stock next week,
he did say have a think about it and if you want a triax come back next week because he'll do it for about £55-£60,
i noticed he had the maxx digital dish up at the front of his shop,
i've seen those on eb*y so i thought i'd ask him if they are any good and he was like they are rubbish lol

the second shop i went to also mentioned the triax td110,
again i mentioned the difficulty with fine adjusting the dish he said straight up its very awkward lol,
i saw the 1.3m eurostar dish i mentioned earlier in this thread,
but it had some sticker like star track 1080p hd on the dish instead of eurostar,
he told me its the same dish and that these dishes are basically made in taiwan and when they order them over,
they can choose what type of sticker they would like to put on it,
he was selling star track hd STB's so i thought maybe its because of this he's advertising it on the dish
and for the record i dont the star track sticker lol

i picked up the dish in one hand and the back plate and bracket in the other hand,
i was surprised didnt even feel that heavy at all,
i measured the dish its approximately 130cm from top to bottom and 120cm across,
these dishes apparently only come in white colour too and he'll take £65 for the dish
basically its the same dish as the one on the link below but different sticker,
http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/threads/eurostar-1-3m-on-diseq-motor.89605/

what you peeps reckon?
im not 100% convinced on the dish,
last thing i want to do is get a dish which is 1.2m and it perform like a good quality 1 meter dish,
so quality or quantity is what im asking myself...

he did mention channel master dish to me but i was like im not keen on actuator etc....

he had a massive andrews dish in the shop,
must have easily been about 2.4 meters, i was like wow thats huge! lol