TRIAX TD88 vs FRACARRO PENTA 85

[satkitten]

well its been a while since i installed the dish..still getting good results in all weathers.....i keep going back to BADR for a nosey...find that the channels are only 28-31% with quite a bit of break up over the receivers (DARKBOX 2007) threshold of 30%.

Decided to have a play and put my old Lidl 0.6 LNB on the dish in stead of the Strong LNB which i bought and installed with the dish....

~What an improvement....6-8% signal increase....now have the MBC channels rock steady...today is sunny with lots of passing cloud...so a reasonalbe day to test. the other sats seem to have a better to even better reception too..........never thought to play with LNBs before....all i need now is to try the Inverto as mentioned in post above........i also noted that the lnb adapter gets a little waterlogged in the bottom recess which meant the Strong lnb was going to get flooded eventually in the two breather holes...the breather hole on the Lidl lnb is clear of the holder....so..despite my thrombosis and climbing the blinkin ladder again i feel well pleased......but disapointed the Strong 0.2lnb isnt quite a match for the 85cm dish.....again thanks to all at satellites co uk for inputs on a wide range of topics...great site...must use it more though..

Mikey

 

[satkitten]

well its quite cloudy today.....and i still have rock solid picture at 34% on Badr sats.....58% on the stronger tp's. all in all a good exercise.

 

[Topper]

well its quite cloudy today.....and i still have rock solid picture at 34% on Badr sats.....58% on the stronger tp's. all in all a good exercise.

That is good to hear, it always good to hear of a positive result

 

[satkitten]

anybody got comments on Best LNB to go with the dish?

 

[rolfw]

I've been using the Inverto and had results up to expectations, but haven't really tried many others I'm afraid.

 

[satelliteman]

Works well on inverto, Invacom and Fracarro.
Tried & Tested

 

[satkitten]

thanks guys...perhaps i'm just hoping...but trying to push the lnb in a bit more and lifting the front just a tad i get 2-3% more quality....this brings in BADR weaker sats in better on a low cloudy day...seems to stop the occasional breakup.....also i can acutally receive TP on 23.5E now.....a footy channel is stronger and for the first time i get 40% +/- on other TP's off that sat!!! so i know there is more to be gained (pardon the pun).

i dont want to cut and mod the lnb holder just yet..but i am convinced that a more suitable lnb would match the dish better and give me the coulple of percent strength i need to just bring in things better, or things not seen!

could you quote me an actual model number please guys.....then i can perhaps get rid of this Lidl 0.6 lnb which is better than the strong i bought. i guess the strong is too "strong" at clamping adjacent channel interference whilst killing overall signal strength? been a good lnb but the Fplug connecter on it is um...threaded.....! too much playing around

I have looked for lauro2008's recommendation of Inverto IDPL-40SL+..but not avail in uk.

 

[satkitten]

i see the fracarro 0.5 lnb is a better shape for the lnb holder than the strong...so should be able to push in a bit more !

also lookingin into a smart titanium second edition!! but reading the post here
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satelli...ew-c120-feedhorn-vs-smart-titanium-lnb-f.html

post #8...i see the lidl is alledged to be better!! lol maybe ill just mod the lnb holder instead....although i really cant get my head around this noise factor.....when my 0.6 silvercrest (lidl) lnb is way better than the strong 0.2.......might just slacken everything off on the dish and realign with the lidl lnb.....

LIDL LNB =
SilverCrest Universal Single LNB, model IP 401. Suitable for standard offset satellite dish with 40mm holder.
Low band: 10.70-11.70 GHz
High band: 11.70-12.75 GHz
Noise factor: 0.6dB
Amplification: 55dB

 

[LAURO2008]

I have looked for lauro2008's recommendation of Inverto IDPL-40SL+..but not avail in uk.

Sorry for you m8...why don't you buy it from an on-line shop?

Last week I got an Invacom 0.31 twin and as soos as have the possibility I will test and compare it with the Inverto IDPL-40SL+.

Keep you posted

 

[satkitten]

thanks for that info my friend...look forward to your comments....meanwhile back to researching



Oh! one more thing..reading about i think i made a boo boo when putting my dish up...my long/lat is 50n 5w...i aligned on 1w!!! so i will realign on 5w which i think i should have as my south point

 

[GreenmanBelg]

anybody got comments on Best LNB to go with the dish?

Think about a brand called Best they are really great, ask Canofan.

 

[LAURO2008]

thanks for that info my friend...look forward to your comments....meanwhile back to researching

Give you some options:

Humax 0,2db mono
Humax twin 0,3
Inverto IDPL-40SL+ sent by me;)

 

[satkitten]

thanks GreenManBelg..yes i have come across the Best brand...good reports not far off the Lidl ... the page i read on this was on the pc at work last night so dont have the page to hand.......

thanks again lauro....i think i will replay my lidl with a new version as the lnb connector on it is useless ...with another one next week....at least i can then continue researching..

 

[satkitten]

FAO Lauro: is this the Inverto you mention???

IDLP-40SL
Inverto single 0.3 dB

View attachment 18962

 

[LAURO2008]

FAO Lauro: is this the Inverto you mention???

IDLP-40SL
Inverto single 0.3 dB

View attachment 18962

Hi satkitten,

That's the one I'm referring to

 

[satkitten]

thanks Lauro........ill order one late....then compare against my Lidl......

found some interesting stuff regarding lidl lnb..heres one comparison for the 0.3 version agains the Smart titanium

""Pues aqui estan los mios despues de subirme a la palmera.
Smart titanium
ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 82/98
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 -82/84
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - 72/50
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 -75/45


LNB LIDL (SILVERCREST LP401 0'3):

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 -84/98
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 81/70
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 -72/66
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 76/98
Pues mis resultados son practicamente igual al que tenia,asi que dejo este pues se ha ganado un puesto de titular por calidad precio.
Saludos desde la selva.
PD No encuentro el post que colgue con la oferta del Lidl""


and one comparison against the inverto 0.2 - but i dont think this model:

""A ver, pruebas.

He probado el nuevo del LIDL, y comparado con el que tenía (Inverto de 0'2, el normal, no el Pro). Aquí tenéis los resultados:

INVERTO 0'2:

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 60/98.
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 54/95 (calidad oscilando).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - 52/50 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 52/50 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).


LNB LIDL (SILVERCREST LP401 0'3):

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 58/98.
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 53/70 (calidad oscilando).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - No se pilla.
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 52/40 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).

En resumen, me quedo con lo que tenía, a mi en particular no me ha mejorado en nada""

 

[LAURO2008]

thanks Lauro........ill order one late....then compare against my Lidl......

found some interesting stuff regarding lidl lnb..heres one comparison for the 0.3 version agains the Smart titanium

""Pues aqui estan los mios despues de subirme a la palmera.
Smart titanium
ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 82/98
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 -82/84
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - 72/50
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 -75/45


LNB LIDL (SILVERCREST LP401 0'3):

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 -84/98
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 81/70
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 -72/66
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 76/98
Pues mis resultados son practicamente igual al que tenia,asi que dejo este pues se ha ganado un puesto de titular por calidad precio.
Saludos desde la selva.
PD No encuentro el post que colgue con la oferta del Lidl""


and one comparison against the inverto 0.2 - but i dont think this model:

""A ver, pruebas.

He probado el nuevo del LIDL, y comparado con el que tenía (Inverto de 0'2, el normal, no el Pro). Aquí tenéis los resultados:

INVERTO 0'2:

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 60/98.
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 54/95 (calidad oscilando).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - 52/50 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 52/50 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).


LNB LIDL (SILVERCREST LP401 0'3):

ASTRA 19'2ºE: 11037 V 22000 - 58/98.
HISPASAT 30ºW: 11535 V 24500 - 53/70 (calidad oscilando).
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11517 V 5632 - No se pilla.
INTELSAT 907 27'5ºW: 11665 V 13020 - 52/40 (calidad oscilando 5 arriba 5 abajo).

En resumen, me quedo con lo que tenía, a mi en particular no me ha mejorado en nada""

Thanks for those info but I still think that the best comparison is between Inverto single IDLP-40SL+ 0.2dB and Invacom twin (not single) SNH-031 0.3dB.

I got both but I still have to find the best alignment with the Inverto.

Good luck to us

 

[satkitten]

with my dish pack i had four halves of a ring, which together would enable a smaller lnb to fit into the holder...cant remember the size anyway, two pair were thin and two were thick (like me lol!)

i found the best position for my strong lnb was using the two smaller adapters...and that the best position for the lidl was only using one fat adapter....sit the lnb in the actual lnb holder and use a fat one on top to clamp into position....just the lnb design means i can't push it in a millimetre or two more...so may try shaving off bits of the fat lnb adapter.

weather should be good tomorrow, dry but cloudy...so i will peak up my realigned dish (now with 5w as southern sat (was 1w)) and then swing to badr to peak up the lnb setting. All other sats are really good, apart from 23.5e german channels which are non existant or weak and very erratic...when i had a play last week i did manage to bring in LigTV

not going to try too hard...but would be nice to peak badr tp so that quality just holds better in more cloudier conditions.

 

[LAURO2008]

with my dish pack i had four halves of a ring, which together would enable a smaller lnb to fit into the holder...cant remember the size anyway, two pair were thin and two were thick (like me lol!)

i found the best position for my strong lnb was using the two smaller adapters...and that the best position for the lidl was only using one fat adapter....sit the lnb in the actual lnb holder and use a fat one on top to clamp into position....just the lnb design means i can't push it in a millimetre or two more...so may try shaving off bits of the fat lnb adapter.

weather should be good tomorrow, dry but cloudy...so i will peak up my realigned dish (now with 5w as southern sat (was 1w)) and then swing to badr to peak up the lnb setting. All other sats are really good, apart from 23.5e german channels which are non existant or weak and very erratic...when i had a play last week i did manage to bring in LigTV

not going to try too hard...but would be nice to peak badr tp so that quality just holds better in more cloudier conditions.

And ? Any news? I'm still struggeling with the perfect aligment but I just found out it is not only my fault...also my motor does not work properly

See U !

 

[LAURO2008]

I got the results comparing Inverto IDLP-40SL+ 0.2dB and Invacom SNH-031 twin 0.3dB on my Penta 85cm with a Clarke Tech 2100 plus

..Inverto IDLP-40SL+ 0.2dB>>>>VS<<<<Invacom SNH-031 twin 0.3dB

.........%LEVEL / %QUALITY..............................%LEVEL / %QUALITY


45W
11508 H...... 93/59................................................ .................93/60

43W
12584 V...... 93/63................................................ ................92/66

30W
11972V....... 97/97................................................ ................94/97
12547V........95/81 .................................................. ............ 96/93
12092V........97/60................................................ ................96/97
11931V........97/59................................................ ................96/97
11891V........97/57................................................ ................97/97
11682V........96/43................................................ ................97/97
11771H........97/75................................................ ................95/65

24W
11675V.........94/70................................................ ...............92/82

22W
12736H.........90/57................................................ .............. 90/77
11563H.........92/69................................................ ...............92/82
11604H.........94/64................................................ ...............94/75

15W
11538H.........91/61................................................ ................90/67
11566H.........90/49................................................ ................90/61
11150V.........93/51................................................ ................92/57
11124V.........93/48................................................ ................92/60

12,5W
12545H.........92/61 .................................................. .............. 94/72
12516H.........92/63 .................................................. ..............96/73
12577V.........92/75 .................................................. .............. 92/70
11387H.........97/81 .................................................. ..............96/66

8.0W
12650V.........96/88................................................ ................96/92
12563V.........97/90................................................ ................96/92
11385H.........96/75 .................................................. .............96/66
11057H.........94/50 .................................................. .............96/77

0.8W
11261H.........97/91................................................ ................97/97
11278V.........97/90................................................ ................96/97
12723H.........93/65................................................ ................97/75
12563H.........94/75................................................ ................97/75
12527H.........94/75................................................ ................93/76

16E
10958H.........96/95................................................ ............... 96/92
11447H.........97/77 .................................................. .............97/78
11094V.........96/64................................................ ................94/60
12557V.........94/57................................................ ................94/60

28.2E
10772H.........96/80................................................ ................95/80
11390H.........94/70................................................ ................92/60
12402V.........94/81................................................ ................94/78
12560H.........92/60................................................ ................92/56

31E
10994V.........92/56................................................ ................91/70

Considerations:

-Cloudy sky with Invacom and clear sky with Inverto which means the Invacom data must improve even more;
-Thanks to Invacom I can get more channels/frequencies;
-Invacom loses a bit of Level% but gains a lot of Quality%
-Even the Diablo EMU seems to be faster
-Invacom is much heavier than Inverto which means it might be positive in case of rain and wind.
-I'm now sure that a Penta85 gains like a 100cm;)

So the Invacom SNH-031 twin 0.3dB IS THE WINNER !!!

and I'm flipping happy !!!:toke::toke::toke:

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