Advice Needed Which sats? Toroidal 90 in Europe

[Terryl]

Hi Doc Sarah, I think some have missed the point, that you are a total novice at this and need some good guidance.

In trying to use one antenna (or dish) to get all the satellites you can you will need at least an 8 to 10 foot motorized dish, and that needs to be setup for both "C" and "Ku" bands*, (the satellites transmit in these bands) the Toroidal T90 dish will not be able to see the satellites transmitting in "C" band, (it is too low a frequency for that sized dish) so you will be missing a bunch of channels on quite a few satellites.

Now due to your location a problem comes up, and that is that some satellites are transmitting what is call "Spot Beams", these spot beams are like spot lights on a stage, a spot pointing at stage right will not work for you if your standing at stage left. (acting terms help)

Another thing, did you order the dish will 16 LNB's or did someone say you needed all those LNB's, if someone said you did then I would go after them as there are not that many "Ku" band satellites that can be seen from your location, below is a link to a site that has all satellites and their associated transponders and channels, it is a long list as there are quite a few up there, but not all can be see everywhere, this due to the fact that the Earth is round and some will be below the horizon, and others are pointing to different locations on the Earth. (spot beam's)

http://www.lyngsat.com/atlantic.html

This one is for the birds on an Atlantic orbit.

http://www.lyngsat.com/europe.html

This one is for the birds over Europe.

So going through the list you will see a little globe, clicking on this little globe will bring up a map of that satellites coverage area, finding your location and zooming in then clicking on it will tell you what sized dish would be needed for that satellite and if you can see it or not at that location.

The other thing it will tell you is if that channel is encrypted, if it is then you wont be able to see it without a subscription to that channel(s) provider.

In the links above you will see a little P, this will give you what packages (channels) are available on the satellites, this will give you an idea on whats available with or without a subscription.

Now some of these provider will not let you use an FTA** receiver, but will provide a receiver for you (sometimes not) when you sign up for their programming, some will what you to let them put up their dish, just tell them you have one.

This is getting quit long so I will cut it short, so once you do a little looking around as to what satellites can or can not be seen at your location we can go further, you may also send back the LNB's you don't need.



* "C" band = 3.5 to 4 GHz, "Ku" band = 10 to 12.7 GHz, big difference, "C" band needs at least a 6 foot dish (2 meters), some "Ku" band satellites can be received on as small a dish as 18 inches (46 cm)

** FTA = Free To Air, an FTA receiver can recive many satellites and channels, some can even use de-cryption codes to get some encrypted channels from some providers, not all FTA receivers can do this. (and I will not talk about these types of codes)

 

[Doc Sarah]

Hi Doc Sarah, I think some have missed the point, that you are a total novice at this and need some good guidance.

In trying to use one antenna (or dish) to get all the satellites you can you will need at least an 8 to 10 foot motorized dish, and that needs to be setup for both "C" and "Ku" bands*, (the satellites transmit in these bands) the Toroidal T90 dish will not be able to see the satellites transmitting in "C" band, (it is too low a frequency for that sized dish) so you will be missing a bunch of channels on quite a few satellites.

Now due to your location a problem comes up, and that is that some satellites are transmitting what is call "Spot Beams", these spot beams are like spot lights on a stage, a spot pointing at stage right will not work for you if your standing at stage left. (acting terms help)

Another thing, did you order the dish will 16 LNB's or did someone say you needed all those LNB's, if someone said you did then I would go after them as there are not that many "Ku" band satellites that can be seen from your location, below is a link to a site that has all satellites and their associated transponders and channels, it is a long list as there are quite a few up there, but not all can be see everywhere, this due to the fact that the Earth is round and some will be below the horizon, and others are pointing to different locations on the Earth. (spot beam's)

http://www.lyngsat.com/atlantic.html

This one is for the birds on an Atlantic orbit.

http://www.lyngsat.com/europe.html

This one is for the birds over Europe.

So going through the list you will see a little globe, clicking on this little globe will bring up a map of that satellites coverage area, finding your location and zooming in then clicking on it will tell you what sized dish would be needed for that satellite and if you can see it or not at that location.

The other thing it will tell you is if that channel is encrypted, if it is then you wont be able to see it without a subscription to that channel(s) provider.

In the links above you will see a little P, this will give you what packages (channels) are available on the satellites, this will give you an idea on whats available with or without a subscription.

Now some of these provider will not let you use an FTA** receiver, but will provide a receiver for you (sometimes not) when you sign up for their programming, some will what you to let them put up their dish, just tell them you have one.

This is getting quit long so I will cut it short, so once you do a little looking around as to what satellites can or can not be seen at your location we can go further, you may also send back the LNB's you don't need.



* "C" band = 3.5 to 4 GHz, "Ku" band = 10 to 12.7 GHz, big difference, "C" band needs at least a 6 foot dish (2 meters), some "Ku" band satellites can be received on as small a dish as 18 inches (46 cm)

** FTA = Free To Air, an FTA receiver can recive many satellites and channels, some can even use de-cryption codes to get some encrypted channels from some providers, not all FTA receivers can do this. (and I will not talk about these types of codes)

Hello Terryl,

First I appreciate your professionalism and the time you took to answer my question and thank you for pointing out that I am "NEW" and not a "PROFESSIONAL" in the satellite installation business I am a client who was ripped off my an unscrupulous installer who took my money left me with 3 LNB's and has my money for an additional 13 LNB's and has been missing now since November! He is nowhere to be found and yes he asked me for s_x and I did that (safe s_x of course) as an incentive for him to do quality work which he did not! So I was, you can say, officially screwed by him literally and figuartively! I am trying to LEARN so that does not happen again!

This comment made so much sense to me, its a metaphor but a good one: "Spot Beams", these spot beams are like spot lights on a stage, a spot pointing at stage right will not work for you if your standing at stage left. (acting terms help)"

I will read though your text and answer Ok!

Thanks again

 

[RimaNTSS]

Are we speaking here about T90 installation?! Nice house and it's interior, interesting movies. But, about T90, I would advice you to go for 10-11 LNB installation, keeping another 6 for better times (maybe waiting for second T90). You will get main satellites received by those 10 LNBs, including channels of your interest.

 

[Doc Sarah]

[QUOTE="Terryl, post: 911458, member: 369937"]Another thing, did you order the dish will 16 LNB's or did someone say you needed all those LNB's, if someone said you did then I would go after them as there are not that many "Ku" band satellites that can be seen from your location, below is a link to a site that has all satellites and their associated transponders and channels, it is a long list as there are quite a few up there, but not all can be see everywhere, this due to the fact that the Earth is round and some will be below the horizon, and others are pointing to different locations on the Earth. (spot beam's)[/QUOTE]

The original amount of LNB's were part of the original bid for my system, one in which the installer stated that I would be able to "see" all of Europe if ordered all 16 LNB's identified here! He also stated that if I wanted to see everywhere possible than I must use 2 x Toroidal T90 on which 32 LNB’s are feed through eight (2) DiSeqC switches! I ordered everything because there are noise abatement requirements for Motorised dishes!

I have a question, what size “motorised” dish do you need to get the European Satelite and out to horizon satellites over Europe? And are there larger Toroidal antenna dishes than a T55 or T90?

 

[Doc Sarah]

This sound advice and I believe I will take it because I have learned here that the more LMB's you narrow the 2˚degree safety limit in tuning them more difficult to align accurately!

One of the professionals reading this thread sent me these photos and the installation below!



This is what I am trying to get as it includes my home in Scandinavia, so what size
"NON MOTORISED" antenna can I use to get these?



This is what I am trying to get as it includes my home in Scandinavia, so what size
"NON MOTORISED" antenna can I use to get these?


This includes even more reach into what seems like New York fringe!




This includes some slavic nations!

 

[Doc Sarah]

16 LNB's!

 

[hairybadger]

16 LNB's!

My T90 has 16 (or 17, don't remember) LNBs; it even uses the extension bar arrangement seen above. My wiring is nowhere near as tidy, though There are photos of it on this august forum somewhere.

 

[Lazarus]

Mod Note: I have removed several Posts that have no relevance to the Satellite related Topic.

 

[BM300]

Hello Doc Sarah,

For the channels that are out of your dish range, it may be worth thinking about subscribing to IPTV package.
So you can have the advantage of both systems.

Your existing dish can easily handle all channels on Hotbird 13E and Eutelsat at 16E and Eutelsat 9E.
For Astra channels our friends have already suggested a dedcated larger dish.

 

[Doc Sarah]

Hello BM300:


However I am a neophyte in the Satellite community and I am only here because the man I hired as my original installer clearly took advantage of my lack of knowledge and left me with an incomplete system! Having had that experience I thought it would be wise that I learned as much about the technical and no technical side as I can via this and other forums like this one, that said I have only found this one so far!

I notice that you are living in the UAE and that you have 8 Dishes, that is a lot of dishes for more than I am able to mount due to layers about obstruction of scenic view and other nonsense here in Coast Brava, Spain where I am restricted right down to the noise levels a motorised dish can generate on my roof.

I have a question:

1) Can you tune EU Channels from your location and what type of LNB's do you use when you are at that distance from Europe?

2) How may LNB's per disc do you mount or do you have 8 LNB's attached to 8 antennas?

3) When there is no ability to use 8 motorized discuss or one Multi LNB and a motor with location software there is only one solution I know of and that is to use a Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish, that has been my advice hence my installation selections as there any alternative you can point out that is not already offered here?

It would seem that the complexity in my installation is that as an Ex Patriate from Sweden, I am not Spanish. Therefore, though I am my geolocation in Coast Brava, Spain I need to watch pan European TV in several languages and cultural programming where possible. My objective therefore is to scoop up as many satellites broadcasting Scandinavian, German, Dutch, English and other pan European satellite TV stations as possible.

To date here is a list of the satellites I have selected to point the Antenna and LNB's toward, the list was supplied by members of this forum. The list however is incomplete because the Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish can mount up to 16 LNB's at 2° offset and I want to try all 16 but only if I can obtain 16 satellites at 2° offset for each LNB.

LNB #1: Satélite 5.0 ° E
LNB #2: Satélite 13.0 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #3: Satélite 19.2 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #4: Satélite 23.5 ° E
LNB #5: Satélite 28.2 ° E = (SkyBSky @ (2A / 2C / 2E / 2F)
LNB #6: Satélite 28.5 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #7: Satélite 31.5 ° E
LNB #8: Satélite 0.8 ° W
LNB #9: ?
LNB #10: ?
LNB #11: ?
LNB #12: ?
LNB #13: ?
LNB #14: ?
LNB #15: ?
LNB #16: ?

****(Already Mounted & Tuned) this indicates signal from the three (3) LNB's already mounted by the fomer installer.

The 3 LNB's installed currently are functioning with high signal integrity and signal strength! Therefore, the question is, should I add an additional 5 LNB's or mount the full complement of 16 LNB's which would require me to add 13 more to the Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish or is it the case that the more LNB's added to lower signal strength?

I have recently discovered that the 5db lost in the through the DiSEqC can be added by re-amplifying the signal and recover the final loss, also I am using a high specification satellite cable because I understand that the termination of the cable at each LNB including too and from the EMP-Centauri 16/1 DiSEqC Switch is also extremely important hence the exclusion of low quality cable and moisture restart cables and F-Connectors!

I have also learned that quality of the quality of the connection cable is also important therefore while weather proofing the start and end point of each of the external length of cable and that while it is also an imperative to includes both weather proofing for the ends of the connection THE QUALITY OF THE CABLE is more important. I now know that run of the mill everyday satellite TV coaxial cable has far too much attenuation at the higher frequencies and the screening is usually extremely poor. I have been told that Satellite IF signals range from approximate 1GHz to 2.15GHz. Therefore the best quality cable must be used in each instillation!

Because there is 4 TV's connected to the Quad LNB's there will be 4 down linked coaxial cables. At this point I am using WF-125 Coaxial Cable outside the home and PF-165 Coaxial Cable is to be used inside (I have no idea why two types of coaxial cable was used as the distance from the DiSEqC switches to enter the home is less than 37 meters for three (3) of the cables and 45 meters for one of the internal cables?) and is as important as the Antenna itself.

So is there anything else you can contribute to my system as described above to optimise my instilation?

Sincerely
Doc

 

[Doc Sarah]

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A LEVEL OF COMPETENCE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION:

Terry stated the following, I quote: "In trying to use one antenna (or dish) to get all the satellites you can you will need at least an 8 to 10 foot motorised dish, and that needs to be setup for both "C" and "Ku" bands*, (the satellites transmit in these bands) the Toroidal T90 dish will not be able to see the satellites transmitting in "C" band, (it is too low a frequency for that sized dish) so you will be missing a bunch of channels on quite a few satellites." End Quote!

My question is:

a) What is the optimal motorised satellite antenna by model and make 90cm to 120cm!
b) What LNB's should I use (including C" and "Ku" bands capable units)
c) Control & Tracking Hardware or Software?

The system must be able to send a signal to 4 independent TV's and track any satellite's East to West.

Sincerely
Doc

 

[Doc Sarah]

Hello Doc Sarah,

For the channels that are out of your dish range, it may be worth thinking about subscribing to IPTV package.
So you can have the advantage of both systems.

Your existing dish can easily handle all channels on Hotbird 13E and Eutelsat at 16E and Eutelsat 9E.
For Astra channels our friends have already suggested a dedcated larger dish.

IPTV package?
Do you mean Internet Protocol TV (IPTV) Package?
If this is IPTV (http://www.movistar.es/particulares/oferta-combinada/fusion?pid=PA-home-ven1) then I have it?
I subscribe to a 100 Megabit of Fibre Optical Broadband IPTV package to my home subscribed from Movistar!
The problem with the above package is that it has very limited channles and most are in Spanish language and has no pan European satellite so it is useless!

Do you know any IPTV provider in Cost Brava Spain!

 

[hairybadger]

IPTV package?
Do you mean Internet Protocol TV (IPTV) Package?
If this is IPTV (http://www.movistar.es/particulares/oferta-combinada/fusion?pid=PA-home-ven1) then I have it?
I subscribe to a 100 Megabit of Fibre Optical Broadband IPTV package to my home subscribed from Movistar!
The problem with the above package is that it has very limited channles and most are in Spanish language and has no pan European satellite so it is useless!

Do you know any IPTV provider in Cost Brava Spain!

The beauty of IPTV is that theoretically at least you can subscribe to a service *anywhere* if your internet connection is fast enough; yours almost certainly is.

 

[BM300]

IPTV package?
Do you mean Internet Protocol TV (IPTV) Package?
If this is IPTV (http://www.movistar.es/particulares/oferta-combinada/fusion?pid=PA-home-ven1) then I have it?
I subscribe to a 100 Megabit of Fibre Optical Broadband IPTV package to my home subscribed from Movistar!
The problem with the above package is that it has very limited channles and most are in Spanish language and has no pan European satellite so it is useless!

Do you know any IPTV provider in Cost Brava Spain!

Hello Doc,
Let us start with easy answer 1st.
As our friend Hairybadger said, "The beauty of IPTV is that theoretically at least you can subscribe to a service *anywhere*" , since you already have more than the required net spead.
You can easily get an IPTV for a supplier that offers the channels you are after even if he is outside spain.
Make sure that you get a test file or address before commiting to a service provider.
You can try more than one.
Unfortunately I do not know ant service provider in Cost Brava Spain.

 

[BM300]

View attachment 72524 I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A LEVEL OF COMPETENCE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION:

Terry stated the following, I quote: "In trying to use one antenna (or dish) to get all the satellites you can you will need at least an 8 to 10 foot motorised dish, and that needs to be setup for both "C" and "Ku" bands*, (the satellites transmit in these bands) the Toroidal T90 dish will not be able to see the satellites transmitting in "C" band, (it is too low a frequency for that sized dish) so you will be missing a bunch of channels on quite a few satellites." End Quote!

My question is:

a) What is the optimal motorised satellite antenna by model and make 90cm to 120cm!
b) What LNB's should I use (including C" and "Ku" bands capable units)
c) Control & Tracking Hardware or Software?

The system must be able to send a signal to 4 independent TV's and track any satellite's East to West.

Sincerely
Doc

Hello BM300:


However I am a neophyte in the Satellite community and I am only here because the man I hired as my original installer clearly took advantage of my lack of knowledge and left me with an incomplete system! Having had that experience I thought it would be wise that I learned as much about the technical and no technical side as I can via this and other forums like this one, that said I have only found this one so far!

I notice that you are living in the UAE and that you have 8 Dishes, that is a lot of dishes for more than I am able to mount due to layers about obstruction of scenic view and other nonsense here in Coast Brava, Spain where I am restricted right down to the noise levels a motorised dish can generate on my roof.

I have a question:

1) Can you tune EU Channels from your location and what type of LNB's do you use when you are at that distance from Europe?

2) How may LNB's per disc do you mount or do you have 8 LNB's attached to 8 antennas?

3) When there is no ability to use 8 motorized discuss or one Multi LNB and a motor with location software there is only one solution I know of and that is to use a Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish, that has been my advice hence my installation selections as there any alternative you can point out that is not already offered here?

It would seem that the complexity in my installation is that as an Ex Patriate from Sweden, I am not Spanish. Therefore, though I am my geolocation in Coast Brava, Spain I need to watch pan European TV in several languages and cultural programming where possible. My objective therefore is to scoop up as many satellites broadcasting Scandinavian, German, Dutch, English and other pan European satellite TV stations as possible.

To date here is a list of the satellites I have selected to point the Antenna and LNB's toward, the list was supplied by members of this forum. The list however is incomplete because the Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish can mount up to 16 LNB's at 2° offset and I want to try all 16 but only if I can obtain 16 satellites at 2° offset for each LNB.

LNB #1: Satélite 5.0 ° E
LNB #2: Satélite 13.0 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #3: Satélite 19.2 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #4: Satélite 23.5 ° E
LNB #5: Satélite 28.2 ° E = (SkyBSky @ (2A / 2C / 2E / 2F)
LNB #6: Satélite 28.5 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #7: Satélite 31.5 ° E
LNB #8: Satélite 0.8 ° W
LNB #9: ?
LNB #10: ?
LNB #11: ?
LNB #12: ?
LNB #13: ?
LNB #14: ?
LNB #15: ?
LNB #16: ?

****(Already Mounted & Tuned) this indicates signal from the three (3) LNB's already mounted by the fomer installer.

The 3 LNB's installed currently are functioning with high signal integrity and signal strength! Therefore, the question is, should I add an additional 5 LNB's or mount the full complement of 16 LNB's which would require me to add 13 more to the Wave Frontier Toroidal Satellite Dish or is it the case that the more LNB's added to lower signal strength?

I have recently discovered that the 5db lost in the through the DiSEqC can be added by re-amplifying the signal and recover the final loss, also I am using a high specification satellite cable because I understand that the termination of the cable at each LNB including too and from the EMP-Centauri 16/1 DiSEqC Switch is also extremely important hence the exclusion of low quality cable and moisture restart cables and F-Connectors!

I have also learned that quality of the quality of the connection cable is also important therefore while weather proofing the start and end point of each of the external length of cable and that while it is also an imperative to includes both weather proofing for the ends of the connection THE QUALITY OF THE CABLE is more important. I now know that run of the mill everyday satellite TV coaxial cable has far too much attenuation at the higher frequencies and the screening is usually extremely poor. I have been told that Satellite IF signals range from approximate 1GHz to 2.15GHz. Therefore the best quality cable must be used in each instillation!

Because there is 4 TV's connected to the Quad LNB's there will be 4 down linked coaxial cables. At this point I am using WF-125 Coaxial Cable outside the home and PF-165 Coaxial Cable is to be used inside (I have no idea why two types of coaxial cable was used as the distance from the DiSEqC switches to enter the home is less than 37 meters for three (3) of the cables and 45 meters for one of the internal cables?) and is as important as the Antenna itself.

So is there anything else you can contribute to my system as described above to optimise my instilation?

Sincerely
Doc

Hello Doc,
I can see that you are a fast learner and you qustions are becoming more technical.

1) Can you tune EU Channels from your location and what type of LNB's do you use when you are at that distance from Europe?

A1) When it comes to satellite reception, it does not matter how far one's location is.
What matters is, is the satellite transmision footprint of the signal you are after covers your area?
That decides the minimum dish size you can get away with.
You normally pick a slightly larger dish to compensate for any rain storms etc.

2) How may LNB's per disc do you mount or do you have 8 LNB's attached to 8 antennas?

A2) I use 8 Inverto twin output LNBs since I have 2 Dreamboxes connected to 8 dishes.
They are connected to 10 output DiSeqC switches each, with 2 ports for extra dishes if needed.
I think in your case you are using the 4 outbut LNBs for each satellite.

The satellites I receive are Nilesat 7W& Eutelsat 8W, Eutelsat 7E, Eutelsat 9&10E, Hotbird 13E, Eutelsat 16E, Astra 19.2E (Wide beam) and Intelsat @ 68.5 (C band)

A3) Remember that the central LNB on your system is using the full 90cm of your dish.
As you go further away from the centre the signal reflested gets smaller. That is why it is why you sellect the weaker satellite to be in the centre to get maximum signal.

LNB #1: Satélite 5.0 ° E
LNB #2: Satélite 13.0 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #3: Satélite 19.2 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #4: Satélite 23.5 ° E
LNB #5: Satélite 28.2 ° E = (SkyBSky @ (2A / 2C / 2E / 2F)
LNB #6: Satélite 28.5 ° E (Already Mounted & Tuned***)
LNB #7: Satélite 31.5 ° E
LNB #8: Satélite 0.8 ° W

You are already having nice reception from LNBs 2, 3, 5&6 (5 and 6 are behaving like 1 LN

The quality of the cable is extremly important to minimize signal loss. It is like having a good nerve to connect the eye to the brain, If your eye is perfect, and the nerve is defecive, you will not get a good signal to the brain.
Around 1.5 dB is normally lost at every insertion point.

If the footprint of the satellite you are after cover your area, you can then think of additional LNBs provided that the 80 to 75 cm are of the dish is able to handle the signal to get a decent picture.
Remember that more signal is needed for HD channels compared to SD channels. That is why you can get the SD channels during a rainy storm, while HD channels go blank.

Hope you mange to resolve any problems with the reception of the channels you are after.
In my openion, you can easily fill the gaps in the missing channels using the IPTV.
Good luck.

 

[RimaNTSS]

@Doc Sarah As I wrote in my post #23 in this thread, forget about 16 LNBs on your toroidal dish. Just go for maximum 10

1- Astra 28,2*E
2- Badr 26*E
3- Astra 23,5*E
4- Astra 19,2*E
5- Eutelsat 16*E
6- Hotbird 13*E
7- Eurobird 9*E
8- Astra 4,8*E
9- Thor 0,8*W
10- Eutelsat 5*W

Give this list to your installer and he should manage it, cuz it is easy doable. After getting all available channels from those 10 satellites, if you still feel you miss some, than look for another possibilities. Could you post photo of your installed toroidal antenna?

I think in the beginning you have stated that motorized antenna is not option. Did you reconsider it now and ready to go for noisy motorized option?
From your post:

LNB #4: Satélite 23.5 ° E
LNB #5: Satélite 28.2 ° E

This is same position and could not be received by 2 different LNBs.

 

[Riverblue]

This is what I think you should be able to receive at your location with a decent amount of content. The majority of the packages will need a subscription to watch because they are encrypted, but there are free to air channels that you can see. Other satellites will be receivable but will not provide a lot of content, whether you want to spend out the money to subscribe to multiple packages (it's going to cost a substantial amount!) is only a question that you can answer! I would suggest that you maybe find out what the individual packages will cost you and determine whether the content that they provide is what you are looking for. Terryl's post 41 explains how to find out about packages and content on different satellites, you can then research the packages/providers on line.

For what it's worth, in my opinion you will not be able to get everything that is available. With that type of dish set up I would disregard C-band, I don't think the investment needed will bring you decent results, just concentrate on Ku-band reception. I think you would benefit from focusing on specific satellites with plenty of varied content and packages ( look on "Lyngsat" or "King of Sat"), the satellites to the edges of your main focus will not provide you with such a strong signal (spotlight analogy!) Unfortunately you won't pick up the Nordic packages on 4.9/5E because you are well outside the footprint (spotlight analogy!) I doubt even a monster sized dish would help. You will have the same problem with most of the Nordic channels on 0.8W as well. You won't get all of these satellites on one wavefront 90cm dish, the spread is too large. If you decide that you want to cover the entire list you will definitely need two dishes. Have a good look and do some more research, all on this forum can offer you advice, guidance and opinions, but ultimately only you know exactly what you are looking for and how much you are prepared to pay to get it or the compromises that you are prepare to make ;

My recommendations;
30W Mainly Spanish channels & packages; Meo, Canal +, Nos
7W/7.3W Mainly Arabic; Abu Dhabi TV, OSN, Bein Sports
5W Mainly French; Bis, Orange, Fransat (most of the content of this Sat is on 13E)
0.8W Mainly Hungarian & Romanian; UPC, Focus Sat, Digi
4.8E Mainly Ukrainian; Viasat Ukraina
7E Mainly Turkish; Digiturk (most of this content is on 42E)
9E Mainly German; Kabelkiosk
13E Varied; Nova, SRG, Sky Italia, Orange, Bis, NC+, Cyfrowny Polsat
16E Mainly Balkan States; Max TV, DigitAlb, Total TV,Tring Digital
19.2E Varied; HD+, Canal+, Sky Deutschland, CanalDigitaal, CanalSat France, Orange France
23.5E Dutch and Czech; CS Link, Skylink, CanalDigitaal
26E Mainly Arabic; My HD (most of this content is on 7W)
28.2E Mainly English; Sky UK, Freesat
These next 2 satellites don't provide as much
31.5E Mainly Romanian; Orange Romania
39E Mainly Bulgarian; Bulsatcom
42E Mainly Turkish; Digiturk, D-Smart

You will find that a lot of programs are available on different satellites/packages/providers, so be aware of this if you do decide to subscribe as you could end up paying for a package that really doesn't offer much more than you might have with another provider. Also, note that some programs will be available with different language options on different satellites/packages/providers. I hope that this helps.

 

[Doc Sarah]

The beauty of IPTV is that theoretically at least you can subscribe to a service *anywhere* if your internet connection is fast enough; yours almost certainly is.

Yes, you are correct I generally see on average 84.47 Mbps Download and 9.38 Mbps Upload daily as indicated in the attached Internet bandwidth speed test attached! The problem is the programming is mostly football and movies in Spanish language, which is completely useless to me! I have a home in California so I subscribe to Apple iTunes and therefore have an Apple TV attached to each of the TV's.

Additionally, I access to both a US and UK Apple iTunes account accessible from Spain via VPN, therefore I can access English language content using my associated US and UK credit card information through the device so I can already most movies available on Satellite via iTunes. I currently access US Amazon, Netflix and their UK equivalent via the Apple TV via VPN and others services on Demand! Therefore it is pointless so subscribe to the even more limited IPTV service or package available here!

This is something I attempted and succeeded in prior to installing a satellite system! I went to Satellite due to the limitations of the aforementioned systems. To access all those first run movies for rent on the US and UK iTunes Platform you must use the Apple TV, but more importantly if you lack banking information in either country you will not be able to access that content as their access is not only IP based it is credit card or bank based also! They were a great interim program for years, now I need more than movies, I want to see cultural programming and content relevant to my industry so I can monitor my royalty payments in those markets where adult content is shown by companies I do work for like Vivid Entertainment for whom I have made and literally hundreds of movies!

There is no adult content on iTunes or the Apple TV combo! If you have any additional suggestions of Specific EU based IPTV not in Spain with an IPTV Subscription service model available to me please let me know, specifically if it contains content from the Adult Industry! I have added below my bandwidth test so you can tell me if there are any services out there that match Satellite for variety of content using IPTV technologies!

Thanks again your suggestions have been entirely helpful!

IPTV Bandwidth Test Results for my home line!

 

[Doc Sarah]

@Doc Sarah As I wrote in my post #23 in this thread, forget about 16 LNBs on your toroidal dish. Just go for maximum 10

Give this list to your installer and he should manage it, cuz it is easy doable. After getting all available channels from those 10 satellites, if you still feel you miss some, than look for another possibilities. Could you post photo of your installed toroidal antenna?

I think in the beginning you have stated that motorised antenna is not option. Did you reconsider it now and ready to go for noisy motorised option?
From your post:

This is same position and could not be received by 2 different LNBs.

Thank you for your reply!

As you are aware, I am learning all this technologies for the first time, and I am reading up on the industry!

Are you indicating that the two satellites LNB #4: Satellite 23.5° E and LNB #5: Satellite 28.2° E can be captured using a single LNB? What other satellites can share a single LNB? I am still considering your advice of 10 LNB's only; the question is which ten is relevant to my needs?

Additionally, I now understand that I can attach a 90 or 120 or 130 cm dish in my garden if I can mount it on a concrete slab, the local authorities say they will allow that if it can be secured to the ground! Also I have a proposal to use two Toroidal 90cm Satellite Antenna, each with a full complement of 16 LNB's with EMP-Centauri 16/1 DiSEqC Switch's to accomplish the acquisition of more satellites that would be afforded me by a single Toroidal 90cm Satellite Antenna!

The city ordinance still remains, but would like to consider a completely low noise motorised system! In fact I have posted a here asking which is the best combination so I can research the decibel level of the system at 1 meter from the manufacturer of the best system available regardless of price! No one here has answered that question yet?

Thank you again, you have been most helpful!

 

[Riverblue]

I've just seen your last post Doc Sarah, if it is Adult specific channels that you want to monitor for royalties then you can get information for programs/satellites on sites like Channel Directory (D) - KingOfSat let's use "Dorcel" as an example!


Then you go to the satellite directory page; Satellite directory - KingOfSat select the satellite of your choice, say 13E



Scroll down to the frequency shown, 12322.00 H and it shows the providers



If you do this for the various adult programs then you will be able to see who shows what and which packages you might need to subscribe to, which would help with your choice of satellites. The problem is, you still won't be able to see stuff outside your footprint or beyond the capability of your setup.