Astra 1N @ 28E - about to go on air / on air!!

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sonnetpete said:
You mean there's a guy up there in a space suit kicking it's tyres??

well, it's SES... anything can happen... I wouldn't put anything past them :D

Maybe while he is at it, he can give the UK spot beam a little nudge towards mainland Europe, just in case :-righton
 

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Quite possible those tp's will be lit up overnight and they are just running them up to warm everything through.

Like an old diesel :D well, it's "cold" up there...

Well SES are working on a need to know basis since they are very established ( it was different in the 90s ).
If you think about it they actually dont need to say much. Most viewers especially in the UK dont need any information. The platform systems even make frequency charts unnecessary. They also dont need to hand out footprint maps, it's enough to say - it'll work in the area that should be served. I think they only publish them for advertisment reasons.
And I know, SES do the same with the other costumers, the TV stations. They also dont get full details about the satellites. I remember when the Poland spot came on and some TV officials said, wow we didnt even know they can do that.
SES have become a quasi monopolist, they do what they want.
 

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Analoguesat said:
Quite possible those tp's will be lit up overnight and they are just running them up to warm everything through.
Yep,these flux generators take ages to warm up :D
 

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Pietclock said:
And I know, SES do the same with the other costumers, the TV stations. They also dont get full details about the satellites. I remember when the Poland spot came on and some TV officials said, wow we didnt even know they can do that.
SES have become a quasi monopolist, they do what they want.

Or they do what TV executives want... I have heard rumours that fringe reception on 2D has increasingly sparked the ire of both the television and the content industry, both of which are generally interested in neatly separated European sub-markets that allow them to generate revenue without other neighbouring sub-markets cannibalizing their profits. As those rumours go, this has particularly become a problem since encryption of the BBC channels on 2D was discontinued in 2003 and ITV and Channel4 followed suit on the new FTA Freesat platform in 2008. Now you have people from northern Scandinavia to southern Spain and beyond watching prime TV content for free which is only intended for the relatively small British Isles market. And to be honest, trying to get even half of the movies and TV series via a Sky Germany package that I now get with UK Freesat, in English no less, would probably run me more than 50 euros a month.

The loss in revenue that we fringe viewers cause may not be significant on the whole, but apparently just the mere possibility of widespread fringe reception has irked them and they want to curtail it. And it was probably also the driving force behind this new satellite transmission technology which can produce "shaped" beam footprints.
 

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Satellite74 said:
Or they do what TV executives want... I have heard rumours that fringe reception on 2D has increasingly sparked the ire of both the television and the content industry, both of which are generally interested in neatly separated European sub-markets that allow them to generate revenue without other neighbouring sub-markets cannibalizing their profits.

And the recent pub sports court judgement has completely blown that idea out of the water. However thats not a suitable topic for discussion on this particular thread.
 

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Analoguesat said:
And the recent pub sports court judgement has completely blown that idea out of the water. However thats not a suitable topic for discussion on this particular thread.
Basically AS what has the court judgement decided?
 

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im assuming the one that getitng talked baout is the one i read about on bcc, basically a bar owner was usinga greece feed of premier league match and pl sued here, eu court ruled that the pl doesnt own copyright to lvie matchs as ther eno copyright in that sense but it been refer back to british court to decided what to do
 

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well I guess nothing is going to happen in the next one or two hours... I will probably stay up until 1am German time (12am GMT) here, keeping an eye on the UK channels, hopefully this will not be my last evening of enjoying a nice BBC documentary before going to bed :-(
 

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that will not happen anyway. Astra 2D will be used until it's ready for the cementry. So why would they move channels to 1N from 2D ? Also, they talk about new capacity for Channel4 and ITV in their press release. That seems to be the prirority.
Maybe they will switch over one or two transponders to lower the burden of the old 2D, and another few from 2A and 2B.
But the main goal right now is new capacity - for which the channels have been longing for a while (like the viewers ;) ).

Those strange low strength signals are still there...
 

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Satellite74 said:
well I guess nothing is going to happen in the next one or two hours... I will probably stay up until 1am German time (12am GMT) here, keeping an eye on the UK channels, hopefully this will not be my last evening of enjoying a nice BBC documentary before going to bed :-(

Don't worry, the first illuminated tp will be encrypted sky channels on a narrow band frequency anyway ;-)
 

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maybe we are indeed going to be lucky and it's really all just about "additional" capacity. For example, aside from the HD channels, there has been talk about ITV wanting to put some more regional ITV1 channels on the Freesat platform which are currently not on it due to a lack of transponder capacity. That would of course be a good scenario... on the other hand, Astra 2D has a scheduled life expectancy of 12 years and was launched in 2000... it is now nearing its end. Hardware wise it would quite likely last another decade and longer up there in its orbit, but the thing is that satellites have fuel packs to counter what is called "planetary wobble" and to keep themselves at a constant distance from the earth's surface. Basically, the earth does not spin evenly on its axis, but it "wobbles" as it rotates, which affects satellite positions relative to the earth's surface. And the fuel packs are there to give off little jet bursts to countersteer, otherwise you would have to realign your dish all the time... and it also needs to give itself a burst regularly to stay in its assigned orbit because the Earth's gravity pulls on it... and 2D will soon have used up its fuel and thus become useless for continuous undisturbed broadcasting.

but again, no matter how you dissect it, given SES's sparse information flow, we simply won't know until we know...
 

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No doubt we'll all find out in the morning if there's been any overnight shuffles in terms of transponder moves. The two to keep an eye on are 12402V and 12442V (ITV and C5's) which when these swap I guess, as AS mentions, they'll retain the same frequencies on 1N as they currently do on 2A.
 

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Conax-encrypted Real Digital package could be coming to Astra 1N. I wonder.
 

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Considering SES slow approach I wont be surprised if tomorrow nothing will be changed
 

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itv and c5 not post they move to astra 1n
 

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M60 said:
Astra 2D has a scheduled life expectancy of 12 years and was launched in 2000... it is now nearing its end. .

And thats I guess the only reason they send a new satellite up here. Otherwise they would run the risc to be liable if they cannot fullfill their existing contrcts with murdoch & others.
 

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There is a considerable "gap" between 10936V and 11222H. Maybe they're gonna fill that up?
 

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Rumour market says (in other forums)

that the first test card may not be up for a week yet.

and

astra 1n will be ready for service next week
 

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SZGY said:
There is a considerable "gap" between 10936V and 11222H. Maybe they're gonna fill that up?

Info has been spread over lots of sources 1N at 28.2 will use 10950 - 11200
 
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