Help Required Hotbird + Astra 28.2E in one dish

[jeallen01]

Ref the wall mount, as I said earlier, it all depends on how much you will need to swing the dish around to line it up with the satellites - what direction is the wall facing?

For what you say you want, you certainly don't need appear to need Quad (i.e. it's actually 4x LNBs in one enclosure) LNBs, although you might need a Twin for 28E if you want to record two channels at the same time (and you would then need two cables from those to the receiver, and BTW, Skyboxes don't have diseqc switching capabilities). So, Singles from Inverto, Technomate TRIAX (etc. - but do stick to well-known names!) for about £6-£8 each, or about £14-£20 for the Twins from the same suppliers.

 

[djdafy]

Wall is facing basically to the satellite. I didn't have to do anything, just my dish is looking straight away into the satellites.

I've got VU+ Solo 2 for my Hotbird / nc+ package and I'd like to watch & record so I need twin for this satellite. I may install another TV in my bedroom so that's why I'll need quad, just to make sure I won't change anything again in the future.

And I want to install Sky in second room so I'll need another Twin for watching & recording on Sky Box.

 

[jeallen01]

Now that clarifies an awful lot (more information does often help you know )!

Shorter wall mounting should do, and, in fact, with what you then said about what you want to fit on the dish, then it seems preferable (less leverage on the mounting).

Twins and Quads from the same suppliers as mentioned above, although I think I may have seen some adverse comments about Inverto Quads (not at all sure about that, somebody else could be more specific on the issue).

However, be aware that the Quads are quite large/heavy beasts and, with all 4 cables hanging off, them, they could distort the clamps on the ends of the LNB support bracket, and so you might need to consider some bracing bar/rods from the ends of the bracket back to the dish edges (easy to do) to stabilise them (especially in any sort of strong winds).

 

[djdafy]

Finally then:

Inverto LNBs, Triax TD78, multi LNB holder from Triax and this wall mount - 450mm Wall Mount Bracket Galvanised Steel 45cm

Is that correct?

 

[jeallen01]

Now that clarifies an awful lot (more information does often help you know )!

Shorter wall mounting should do, and, in fact, with what you then said about what you want to fit on the dish, then it seems preferable (less leverage on the mounting).

Twins and Quads from the same suppliers as mentioned above, although I think I may have seen some adverse comments about Inverto Quads (not at all sure about that, somebody else could be more specific on the issue).

However, be aware that the Quads are quite large/heavy beasts and, with all 4 cables hanging off, them, they could distort the clamps on the ends of the LNB support bracket, and so you might need to consider some bracing bar/rods from the ends of the bracket back to the dish edges (easy to do) to stabilise them (especially in any sort of strong winds).

OTOH, now thinking: why not just point your existing minidish, with a Sky Twin or Quad on it, at 28E and another dish, which could be a cheap Zone 2 minidish with another Quad on, it at 13E - or am I still missing something?

 

[djdafy]

OTOH, now thinking: why not just point your existing minidish, with a Twin or Quad on it, at 28E and another dish, which could be a cheap Zone 2 minidish with another Quad on, it at 13E - or am I still missing something?

Would love to do it on one dish because I don't have enough room on that wall as it's on the roof and close to windows, a bit dificult for me to explain. 80/90cm dish will be basically maximum for me.

Thought about it and measured everything before but I won't be able to do that.

 

[Archive4]

OK Dafy, nice duck by the way!
Inverto single, used to be the best, but no longer in my opinion, ( build quality has changed and they are hit and miss, if you get a good one, still the best ) , Twin, just average, Quad is sh*t.
Best quad I have found in " fringe land " is the Goobay quad, the Galaxy Innovations is not bad either. Twin, I´d go for a GI ( not Golden Interstar , again Galaxy Innovations ) every day of the week, Single is still out there to be found, but the Inverto IBU is still good enough in good signal areas. ( Actually, the Best quad is not too bad either, but not as good as the Goobay )

 

[jeallen01]

didafy

Typically "most" people would of putting 2 dishes "side-by-side", but have you thought about putting one directly above the other as I don't think that would take up much more vertical space than a single 80-90cm dish (the mini-dishes being of quite low height, and they are not very wide)?

 

[djdafy]

Typically "most" people would of putting 2 dishes "side-by-side", but have you thought about putting one directly above the other as I don't think that would take up much more vertical space than a single 80-90cm dish (the mini-dishes being of quite low height, and they are not very wide)?

I'll measure everything tomorrow once again and we'll see. Is it really better options to do that instead of one dish + bracket?

And if I put Sky Zone 1/2 to watch Sky and my Sky subscription will be finished - which satellites can I reach from that dish in England? I mean if I decide to move second Sky Dish to other position. Of course apart from 13E, 19.2E and 28.2E.

 

[jeallen01]

First question: probably, because you get one dish aligned and "sorted", and then that's IT for that dish - then do the same with the second dish. No need to try to balance the demands of the results from the 2 (or 3 if you include 19E) LNBs.

Second question: If the second dish is the larger Zone 2 dish then you would get good signals from 19E, and might get the stronger signals from 42E, 26E, 23.5E, 9E, 16E or 1W (but very little FTA there), or possibly 30W - but only you could decide if you would actually want to watch any of the channels from those. OTOH, put it on a USALS-controlled motor if your receiver supports that protocol - which the Solo 2 does - (USALS = "Diseqc 1.3" =" diseqc on steroids"!) and you would have the choice of moving the dish to "anything" to the E or W between about 30W and 42E. Look at Lyngsat or kingofsat (and others) for what is available on those, and more on the other ones "in between".

Edited: I now "bow" to William-1 - he knows far more about all this than I do (and a Zone 2 dish is considered to be roughly the equivalent of a conventional 60cm dish).

Edited (again and AGAIN - sorry!): if you want to do "more" with a Zone 2 dish then put that above the Zone 1 one because the Zone 2 dish would then probably be able to see further to the E & W than if it were below.

 

[william-1]

When I motorised a 60cm region-2 dish a couple of years ago these are the satellites I received:-
Intelsat 12 45.0°E
Türksat 3A/4A 42.0°E
HellasSat 2 39.0°E
Astra 2E/2F/2G 28.2°E
Astra 3B 23.5°E (Only strongest transponders)
Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N 19.2°E
Eutelsat 16A 16.0°E (Only strongest transponders)
Hot Bird 13B/13C/13E 13.0°E
Eutelsat 10A 10.0°E (Only strongest transponders)
Eutelsat 9B 9.0°E
Intelsat 10-02 - Thor 5/6/7 0.8°W
Eutelsat 5 West A 5.0°W
Intelsat 907 27.5°W
Hispasat 30W-4/30W-5 30.0°W

 

[djdafy]

I'll measure everything tomorrow after my night shift and then if it's enough space I'll go for another Sky mini dish.

 

[jeallen01]

djdafy - Good luck

 

[Lazarus]

This is undoubtedly the best solution.

Even those of us with weird and wonderful multi-Satellite installations tend to retain a "Sky" dish for dedicated use on 28E.

(Those of us who can actually get 28E on a small dish, I should add! Many of our Members with complex Installations are on the fringe of 28E's reach and have to find other solutions)

 

[djdafy]

Is it possible anyway to get Astra 2E (28.5) and 28.2 on one LNB and Sky Dish?

 

[Lazarus]

Yes. The slight displacement from each other of the 28E craft is the reason why Sky, Freesat and hobbyists use the wider than tall "Sky"dishes.

It becomes a problem on the fringes, where much bigger dishes are needed to get any signal at all, but big dishes have far narrower beamwidth so there can be problems optimising reception from all the craft. It was worse when Eurobird was still operational in that cluster, as it was relatively weak to start with as well as displaced by 0.3 deg.

 

[djdafy]

Do I need to do something or just put my dish and aim it for 28.2E and Astra 2E will work too?

 

[jeallen01]

"djdafy

I doubt that you could distinguish between 28.2 and any other sat locations very close to that with a mini-dish - you would need a VERY large dish to do that because only one of those has sufficiently narrow beamwidth to make that distinction.

Mini-dishes just can't/don't do that because they have a relatively -"satellites separation"-wise speaking - wide beamwidth. Therefore this "issue" is not actually a problem in practice - that's why people who cancel their Sky subscriptions don't need to do anything at the dish end to get Freesat because they just fit a Freesat receiver (or other FTA receiver - which the Solo2 is when without "additional features") to the same cables to that dish.

 

[william-1]

Is it possible anyway to get Astra 2E (28.5) and 28.2 on one LNB and Sky Dish?

Yes

 

[william-1]

I'll measure everything tomorrow once again and we'll see. Is it really better options to do that instead of one dish + bracket?

And if I put Sky Zone 1/2 to watch Sky and my Sky subscription will be finished - which satellites can I reach from that dish in England? I mean if I decide to move second Sky Dish to other position. Of course apart from 13E, 19.2E and 28.2E.

60cm region 2 dish reception:-
Intelsat 12 45.0°E
Türksat 3A/4A 42.0°E
HellasSat 2 39.0°E
Astra 2E/2F/2G 28.2°E
Astra 3B 23.5°E (Only strongest transponders)
Astra 1KR/1L/1M/1N 19.2°E (Zone-1 dish)
Eutelsat 16A 16.0°E (Only strongest transponders)
Hot Bird 13B/13C/13E 13.0°E
Eutelsat 10A 10.0°E (Only strongest transponders)
Eutelsat 9B 9.0°E
Intelsat 10-02 - Thor 5/6/7 0.8°W
Eutelsat 5 West A 5.0°W
Intelsat 907 27.5°W
Hispasat 30W-4/30W-5 30.0°W