ITV on Astra 2B 28.2e ~ Tp36

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Theres something odd about the ITV's on 10714H / 11052H. I can scan one or the other but not both onto my dreambox. Scanning one overwrites the channels previously stored on the other frequency.

They must be using exactly the same parameters.
 

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This is a well reasoned item from a user on the DS forum:

suggest a different theory for ITV encrypting these regional feeds: they want to move ITV HD onto Astra 2D from the wide beam it is on at the moment.

Why would they want to do this? Because a lot of non-freesat set top box makers have updated their firmware and ITV HD can now be received all over Europe. That will limit what they can broadcast on it - they already have to use 2D to broadcast their low-def channels, the studios that demand this will be even more up-in-arms if their programmes can be received in HD without similar constraints.

So what I think ITV are doing is to prepare for a bit of shuffling of the channels around the transponders, moving the encrypted ones onto a wide beam, to make space for the bandwidth needed by ITV HD on Astra 2D. From the number of affected channels, the total relinquished bandwidth does seem to be "about right" for the space that ITV HD needs.

Of note is that they have only scrambled channels which are sub-regions, i.e. Tyne Tees South is now encrypted, Tyne Tees North is not, the same for Yorkshire, Anglia and Meridian. This I suspect is to limit the impact on Freesat and FTA viewers (Sky digibox users with a valid FTV card will be unaffected anyway as they will still receive the encrypted channels) since ultimately the only thing they will lose is the tiny sub-regional news bulletins within the ITV1 regions news magazines. Any loss of advertising directed at the sub-regional level will be minimal since most satellite viewers of ITV1 will be using Sky and they won't be affected. Those who can no longer receive Tyne Tees South (or which ever sub-region they have lost) still have their other sub-region (Tyne Tees North etc) available, still unencrypted, and this channel is the same as the one they have lost for 99% of the time so they probably won't notice anything.

So I see this as being a "least worst" option for ITV to try and get their HD channel over to Astra 2D with as minimal an impact on viewers and revenue as possible.
 

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Sounds Feasible. :)
 

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... and would suggest this may actually be going to continue in the longer term :)
 

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Can anyone verify if some ITV regions have been taken off 2D?
 

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sat345rg said:
Can anyone verify if some ITV regions have been taken off 2D?
This cannot be confirmed.

Additional ITV transmissions have appeared at 12402V and 11052 H. However their original versions remain on ASTRA 2D and there is no eveidence that ITVs entries on the SKY EPG have been changed to link to the new transmissions.

There is strong evidence that this will happen eventually/soon, because the existing related signals on 2D have now encrypted. This would suggest that they are preparing to move them to the wider beams of ASTRA 2B and 2C.
 

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It is reported on digitalspy. that some ITV1 channels have now started to leave the Astra 2D TP at 10891 H.
 

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BLUEPLATINUM said:
It is reported on DS that some ITV1 channels have now started to leave the Astra 2D TP at 10891 H.

Oh goody goody gumdrops !

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Deep down I'm cool about it all ...
 

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This is the most important news of them all!

Can someone based in the UK,or at least getting
2D signals,check with a receiver other than a digibox tp 10891 and tell what channels are still available?
 

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G53 Which I presume is Grampian
ITV1 Borders, Meridian E, Meridian S, Yorks W.

All unencrypted.
 

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rolfw said:
G53 Which I presume is Grampian
ITV1 Borders, Meridian E, Meridian S, Yorks W.

All unencrypted.
BUT ...

Meridian SE
Meridian North
and Yorkshire East

have all left 10891H.

This means that the EPG must now be linked to the new encrypted, transmissions at 12402V (Astra 2:cool:.

Hopefully we will soon start to see channels leaving 10714H as the EPG moves over to the new channels on 11052H (Astra 2C).
 

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koansrc said:
Oh goody goody gumdrops !

:-handclap:-welcome:-respekt:-laugh:-bighappy
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:-dgang:-part3

Deep down I'm cool about it all ...
You are right to be excited. ITV1 has some excellent programmes at the moment.

If you have SKY+ the next step is to get the right ITV on 103 so that you can record from it too.

(Had to leave in your smilie party ... just love it)
 

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BLUEPLATINUM said:
BUT ...

Meridian SE
Meridian North
and Yorkshire East

have all left 10891H.

This means that the EPG must now be linked to the new transmissions at 12402V (Astra 2:cool:.

Hopefully we will soon start to see channels leaving 10714H as the EPG moves over to the new channels on 11052H (Astra 2C).

Your getting very exited BluePlatinum :-rofl2
It's well needed in the Canaries mate; I know.....

I didn't think for one minute that this thread I started would generate some 112 posts and more to come. In fact there's been so much activity over the last few days what with ITV etc, that my motor hasn't moved off of 28e :D

We wait and see :D
 

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satelliteman said:
Your getting very exited BluePlatinum :-rofl2
It's well needed in the Canaries mate; I know.....

I didn't think for one minute that this thread I started would generate some 112 posts and more to come. In fact there's been so much activity over the last few days what with ITV etc, that my motor hasn't moved off of 28e :D

We wait and see :D
Well I am lucky - I can pull in ITV1 and ITV2+1 off 2D, but a lot of my friends are on 80cm (DIGITAL+) dishes that have been realigned. This is going to be great for them as long as the 2C feed becomes "permanent".
 

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rolfw said:
G53 Which I presume is Grampian
ITV1 Borders, Meridian E, Meridian S, Yorks W.

All unencrypted.

G53 is currently one of the two Border sub regions - its got Lookaround on it atm :D
 

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I was in the office when I read the news regarding the new active tp on Astra 2C and of course got very excited. However although with my (well-aligned) 1 meter dish I am able to receive 24/7 all channels from C5 I get 0% signal from 11052. It seems that it transmits through the north beam.


Athens, Greece
 

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Not true,works strong here in Cyprus on 1.5m dish.
I went to a customer with 2m dish and the first time it tuned the channels from 11.052 but said no signal so i tuned again(without erasing the first lot) and they started working but every other sky channel said no signal.Powered off then on and then all started working well. that is ,all sky channels and those itv channels on 11.052.
 

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Interesting Info Zorba :)
 

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Forgot to mention that I was at my friends shop who has a 1.5m dish and sony digibox. Tuned into 11.052 and stored the named itv channels but no signal kept coming up. Connected a cheapo micro-x fta satellite receiver and channels tuned in and working.
 

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If its 2C 11052 H we have a problem, down here in sw turkey 12402 v 2B is not a problem but still requires a 3mt dish for 24/7 as the dishes are on 2D, No Horizontials from 2D and very little from 2b horizontial.
Does this mean That The BBC Are staying put and FTA or are they going FTV i assume this encryption is only a tempory situation until they get it sorted then shift the whole lot to 2d fta
 
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