Advice Needed Low Symbol Rate Dutch Radio feeds on 16°E

satesco · Mar 9, 2024

cirio70 said:
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I discovered another possible station on 12565.7 H (possible SR 136) but i can't manage to lock it.

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I also found this mux and locked it but found nothing relevant to us. Possibly a small hit for this low symbol rate.
Radio Gdansk stayed on the same mux,12589 V,146,3/4.

satesco · Mar 9, 2024

cirio70 said:
In the lower band i can tune:

11053.3 H 355 -> SLAM! + 100% NL
11054.3 H 355 -> BNR AMS
11054.6 H 355 -> JOE TNZ + Radio538 TNZ

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Beyond the small difference in frequencies, the parameters(symbol rate) are the "classic" ones, i.e. those already posted on the satellite lists:
-11052.4 H,365,3/4-100% & SlamMain,
-11052.8 H,375,3/5-Sky & R10 TNZ,
-11053.2 H,176,3/4-BNR-AMS,
-11053.5 H,355,2/3-Joe TNZ & Radio 538

deeptho · Mar 9, 2024

satesco said:
Beyond the small difference in frequencies, the parameters(symbol rate) are the "classic" ones, i.e. those already posted on the satellite lists:
-11052.4 H,365,3/4-100% & SlamMain,
-11052.8 H,375,3/5-Sky & R10 TNZ,
-11053.2 H,176,3/4-BNR-AMS,
-11053.5 H,355,2/3-Joe TNZ & Radio 538

A few of these services can also be received with tbs 6909x, the ones with symbol rate above 300, except for
the seconds one. The card has to rely on digital filtering, and I suspect the problem is that it is affected by nearby muxes.
So on some muxes it works and on others it does not.
The three radio channels also work.

satesco · Mar 9, 2024

I have to say that without 6909x with neumoDVB, I didn't know that muxes with a symbol rate of 405 in the upper band are active.
After that, I listened with this card to QNL AMS radio on 12567 H,405,3/4.
The interesting ones would be that "Blindscan all", 6909x finds a low symbol rate, like Dutch muxes. It is true that it also depends on the signal strength.
It is beyond my expectations that you can use and hope to work with 6909x/(6903x) even with difficult parameters.
I must add that there are no problems with processing and locking these parameters with the card 6983 with Deeptho's application.

Satfaca · Mar 9, 2024

cirio70 said:
I can confirm the @satesco find

12567.3 H 405 -> JOE
12567.8 H 405 -> Q Music
12568.3 H 495 -> QNL AMS

Fun Fact: every station broadcasts RDS data in a separate PID (i.e. JOE on PID 112) between a lot of garbage.

I discovered another possible station on 12565.7 H (possible SR 136) but i can't manage to lock it.

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These are no problem for the good old 6925 but Octagon only locks to the very last (12.568,3). I am trying to manipulate the lamedb somehow to get the other two locking in, unfortunately without success so far.

jsda30 · Feb 3, 2025

i got at 16e at 12568 H 405 QNL AMS and JOE AMS... but joe ams not sound... i think audio pid are wrong...
can someone tell me the audio pid? thanks

lovelyperson · Feb 4, 2025

jsda30 said:
i got at 16e at 12568 H 405 QNL AMS and JOE AMS... but joe ams not sound... i think audio pid are wrong...
can someone tell me the audio pid? thanks

Uclan-Ustym-4k-Pro-Twin-s2x

Perfect music at the mo.

jsda30 · Feb 4, 2025

lovelyperson said:
Uclan-Ustym-4k-Pro-Twin-s2x

Perfect music at the mo.

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thank uu soo much
can you sent the QNL AMS pids? thanks in advanced

lovelyperson · Feb 4, 2025

Ok.

jsda30 · Feb 5, 2025

hi lovelyperson... thanks...
i can see that both joe ams and qnl ams have the same audio pid and i checked them and its the same sound...
but they are diferent radio channels stations... so joe ams can be diferent audio pid or they are the same....

lovelyperson · Feb 5, 2025

jsda30 said:
hi lovelyperson... thanks...
i can see that both joe ams and qnl ams have the same audio pid and i checked them and its the same sound...
but they are diferent radio channels stations... so joe ams can be diferent audio pid or they are the same....

Hola, In Andorra at the mo so not able to test on receiver but perhaps, if not already, you can refer to the Audio pids here quoted by Lyngsat (thanks).

Notice that the visible 'Source Updated' is by one of our members here, 'Eno Sat' and he def is a Low Symbol Rate Dxer like us so he should be able to assist with the config abd PID thoughts.

Good luck with this and please advise your findings.

EnoSat · Feb 5, 2025

You can identify which radio you have LOCKED by PID 0 (you don't need to scan, just LOCK the signal in SatFinder)

Code:

root@ustym4kpro:~# dvbsnoop 0
dvbsnoop V1.4.56 -- https://github.com/OpenVisionE2/dvbsnoop

------------------------------------------------------------
SECT-Packet: 00000001   PID: 0 (0x0000), Length: 20 (0x0014)
Time received: Wed 2025-02-05  20:11:22.672
------------------------------------------------------------
  0000:  00 b0 11 53 be c7 00 00  00 00 e0 10 53 be e3 f7   ...S........S...
  0010:  34 09 12 05                                        4...

PID:  0 (0x0000)  [= assigned for: ISO 13818-1 Program Association Table (PAT)]

Guess table from table id...
PAT-decoding....
Table_ID: 0 (0x00)  [= Program Association Table (PAT)]
section_syntax_indicator: 1 (0x01)
(fixed): 0 (0x00)
reserved_1: 3 (0x03)
Section_length: 17 (0x0011)
Transport_Stream_ID: 21438 (0x53be)
reserved_2: 3 (0x03)
Version_number: 3 (0x03)
current_next_indicator: 1 (0x01)  [= valid now]
Section_number: 0 (0x00)
Last_Section_number: 0 (0x00)

    Program_number: 0 (0x0000)
    reserved: 7 (0x07)
    Network_PID: 16 (0x0010)

    Program_number: 21438 (0x53be)
    reserved: 7 (0x07)
    Program_map_PID: 1015 (0x03f7)

CRC: 873009669 (0x34091205)
==========================================================

TID/SID-21438 = Q Music

jsda30 · Feb 6, 2025

EnoSat said:

You can identify which radio you have LOCKED by PID 0 (you don't need to scan, just LOCK the signal in SatFinder)

Code:

root@ustym4kpro:~# dvbsnoop 0
dvbsnoop V1.4.56 -- https://github.com/OpenVisionE2/dvbsnoop

------------------------------------------------------------
SECT-Packet: 00000001   PID: 0 (0x0000), Length: 20 (0x0014)
Time received: Wed 2025-02-05  20:11:22.672
------------------------------------------------------------
  0000:  00 b0 11 53 be c7 00 00  00 00 e0 10 53 be e3 f7   ...S........S...
  0010:  34 09 12 05                                        4...

PID:  0 (0x0000)  [= assigned for: ISO 13818-1 Program Association Table (PAT)]

Guess table from table id...
PAT-decoding....
Table_ID: 0 (0x00)  [= Program Association Table (PAT)]
section_syntax_indicator: 1 (0x01)
(fixed): 0 (0x00)
reserved_1: 3 (0x03)
Section_length: 17 (0x0011)
Transport_Stream_ID: 21438 (0x53be)
reserved_2: 3 (0x03)
Version_number: 3 (0x03)
current_next_indicator: 1 (0x01)  [= valid now]
Section_number: 0 (0x00)
Last_Section_number: 0 (0x00)

    Program_number: 0 (0x0000)
    reserved: 7 (0x07)
    Network_PID: 16 (0x0010)

    Program_number: 21438 (0x53be)
    reserved: 7 (0x07)
    Program_map_PID: 1015 (0x03f7)

CRC: 873009669 (0x34091205)
==========================================================

TID/SID-21438 = Q Music

hi master... thanks a lot... yes q music working but joe ams not work.. this evening if you like i can send some screenshot of my configuration...

victor64 · Feb 6, 2025

jsda30 said:
hi master... thanks a lot... yes q music working but joe ams not work.. this evening if you like i can send some screenshot of my configuration...

Hello @jsda30,
do you receive Radio 10, Radio 538 or Sky Radio on 16 East ?
If so, could you send the parameters ? Thank you.

lovelyperson · Feb 11, 2025

Again patience was a virtue!
Lower temperature + clear sky.

1.8m Marrafa PF ~ Uclan Ustym-4k-Pro-Twin-s2x

16.0ºe
11055 H 00354 DVB-S

jsda30 · Feb 11, 2025

16 east:
11054 H 355 2/3 dvb-s qpsk:

12658 H DVB-S 405 QPSK:

JOE AMS : not sound, any help?, thanks in advanced!!

EnoSat · Feb 11, 2025

jsda30 said:
JOE AMS : not sound, any help?, thanks in advanced!

What type of pid to display dvbsnoop?

jsda30 · Feb 11, 2025

EnoSat said:
What type of pid to display dvbsnoop?

i dont know... i dont have dvbsnoop.... it can be download from image repository?

EnoSat · Feb 11, 2025

yes

Code:

opkg update
opkg install dvbsnoop

or

Code:

opkg update && opkg install dvbsnoop

jsda30 · Feb 11, 2025

EnoSat said:
yes

Code:

opkg update opkg install dvbsnoop

or

Code:

opkg update && opkg install dvbsnoop

thanks! installed.!
command for dvbsnoop... its the 1st that i use this...
sorry

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